THE FEEL WEIRD PODCAST s2ep#3 - PIPPA CROSSLAND - LATEST GUEST FRESH FROM GLASTONBURY

[00:00:11] Speaker A: Welcome, everybody, to the third episode of series two, feel weird podcast. [00:00:16] Speaker B: And today, very special guest. [00:00:18] Speaker A: I've written my little introduction. Introduce our guest today, people. For our third guest, we have an absolute icon in the making. Stop. Fresh from her set at Glastonbury. The Glastonbury. And that was just a side hustle. [00:00:31] Speaker B: Where. [00:00:31] Speaker A: That was just a side hustle. [00:00:32] Speaker B: Humble brag. [00:00:33] Speaker A: Humble brag. [00:00:33] Speaker B: Carry on. [00:00:34] Speaker A: Where she is a session artist for some of your favorite artists. And she herself is your new favorite artist. [00:00:43] Speaker B: Nicely done. [00:00:44] Speaker A: There you go. You like that one, didn't you? [00:00:45] Speaker B: I did. [00:00:45] Speaker A: You can find her frequently on BBC Radio one. And many, many, many fantastic Spotify playlists, ladies and gentlemen. Everybody give it up. Queen of the North, Pippa crosslink. [00:00:58] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:00:59] Speaker C: I don't even know how to respond to that. Intro, guys. Thanks. [00:01:01] Speaker B: That's a great intro. [00:01:02] Speaker C: I'm glad I was. [00:01:03] Speaker B: A nice surprise. [00:01:04] Speaker A: I really had to, like, try and match how good Liam's was for Kingston last time. [00:01:09] Speaker B: Yeah, it's gonna have to be a thing. We really gotta drum up on it. [00:01:11] Speaker C: It's kind of like. I feel a little bit like an impostor. [00:01:15] Speaker A: Oh, as you should, though. I think we should be supposed to really classic artists blow smoke up as. [00:01:19] Speaker B: Soon as we get. [00:01:20] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that's it. As artists, we have to smoke up each other's asses. [00:01:24] Speaker C: Yes, I agree. [00:01:25] Speaker B: You can't blow it up your own. [00:01:26] Speaker C: I will blow smoke up everyone else's. [00:01:28] Speaker A: But not your own. [00:01:29] Speaker C: But not my own. [00:01:29] Speaker A: Not your own. Anyway, Pippa, how the hell are you? [00:01:33] Speaker C: I'm good, thanks. I'm a bit sleepy. [00:01:35] Speaker A: I bet you are. If anyone's been paying any attention, or if you don't know Pippa already, please go to TikTok and see just how overworked this poor young woman is. You must not have slept a winkle. [00:01:48] Speaker B: As a musician, not a bad problem to have. [00:01:49] Speaker C: No, no, it's not a bad problem to have. I do well on little sleep until I don't, and then I hit a wall and I'm like, on Saturday, you didn't want to be around me, honestly. But I'm fine now. [00:02:00] Speaker A: I guess because of festival season, you'll hit August and just collapse for a week. [00:02:05] Speaker C: Yeah, I think I'll die in August. But totally fair. I had a great July. [00:02:10] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah. I mean, really, just to give people a glance. In the last week, maybe last week and a half. Where have you been? [00:02:18] Speaker C: Okay, so to get the chaos of it all. Got back from Lytham festival last night. [00:02:23] Speaker A: Amazing. [00:02:23] Speaker C: That was pretty rock and roll. Was in Bedford on Saturday. Got back from Glastonbury on Monday. Had a little few days in Wales, actually, after that to kind of like, decompress. And then the week before that, I was at the zero two. I was at Co op live. [00:02:41] Speaker B: Stunning. [00:02:42] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, it was support. It was a good week. [00:02:46] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:02:46] Speaker B: And back in vocals for who? [00:02:48] Speaker C: That was for James. [00:02:49] Speaker B: Stunning. [00:02:50] Speaker C: Oh, sit down vibes. [00:02:51] Speaker A: I've got to say for. I reckon you'll know the stats more than me, but a lot of. Obviously a lot of our listeners and viewers are Mancunians. [00:02:59] Speaker B: Spot on. They are. [00:03:00] Speaker A: That's mega News. [00:03:01] Speaker B: It's a massive, massive news. [00:03:03] Speaker A: Actually. Our friend we were talking about before James, who was called James, named after. [00:03:07] Speaker B: James was at your gig. [00:03:09] Speaker A: He was watching you at the court. Oh, my God. [00:03:11] Speaker B: How his parents had die hard. James fans named him James and then he was at your gig. [00:03:16] Speaker C: So those fans are die hard. [00:03:18] Speaker A: He's pissing his little panties that you're on. Swear to God. Honestly, we were. When we were at Isle of Wight the other week, there was bare people in James t shirts and James weren't even playing, really. [00:03:27] Speaker B: I think they've got an iconic logo, though. I think the flowers. It's such a timeless logo. [00:03:32] Speaker C: Yeah. So I only have two tattoos right now. By saying earlier, I'm gonna get flowers. [00:03:40] Speaker A: I mean, Pippa's done some insane things with James. I mean, you've played some crazy. I mean, you've already mentioned a few, but some crazy venues with them. But one thing I will say about James is because my parents are big fans as well, but so many people. I mean, I know Magister's biased about their own bands and they always have been, but so many people have always said that James are sorry. James are the best live band you could ever see. [00:04:01] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, I think there's a real, like. They do a different set every night on tour, which, as you can imagine as a session player, is a bit like, fuck, yeah. Yeah. It's a bit stressful. But every set is different. So people feel like there's a good few people who come to every show. [00:04:17] Speaker B: On tour and they're gonna see something nice and different. Everybody that's nice. [00:04:20] Speaker C: There's about 29 people in the bandaid. Like, there's just never ending people. And they all are genuinely bringing something, like, completely different. It's like, it is such a fun project to be a part of. [00:04:31] Speaker A: I mean, and they're just such. I mean, I've had the pleasure of meeting Tim before. But they're just all such good people. [00:04:37] Speaker C: Yeah, really good. [00:04:38] Speaker A: Really are. I mean, is Trustafox photography still there with you? [00:04:41] Speaker C: Yes. [00:04:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. He did all the magistrate's guitar stuff with us. [00:04:44] Speaker C: Oh, no way. Yeah, yeah. He was at quite a few of the tour dates. [00:04:48] Speaker A: Yeah, lovely. [00:04:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:49] Speaker A: He's Minta, but, yeah. I mean, the thing is, people said that about James before. It was this new, like, orchestra and backing vocal. I mean, it's for them at their stage of their career to elevate their live show. I think it's mad. [00:05:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:03] Speaker A: Such an underrated band live for people. And I say underrated because people out, they're very, like. They're a bit like the Cortinas where outside of Manchester. They're a bit of a niche band. [00:05:11] Speaker C: Yes, I agree. [00:05:12] Speaker A: In Manchester, they're like gods. We've got a few of them, haven't we? But, like. [00:05:16] Speaker C: And I do feel like every time you say James, people are like, who's James? They think he's a singular person. But when you sing sit down, everyone's like, oh, yeah. And also laid was, like, really big in America. [00:05:28] Speaker A: Laid was big in America. [00:05:29] Speaker C: It was in a film. I don't know. [00:05:30] Speaker B: It was in american pirate. [00:05:31] Speaker C: American pirate shout. [00:05:32] Speaker A: Of course it was. Yeah, yeah. [00:05:33] Speaker C: Banger. [00:05:34] Speaker A: That's Johnny Mars favorite song. [00:05:35] Speaker C: Yesterday. Yesterday and the day before. [00:05:38] Speaker A: Well, with you. [00:05:38] Speaker C: Yeah. And played it. And I text my dad and I was like, oh, Johnny Mars playing. And he was like, oh, my God, I love the Smiths. I was like, fuck. Johnny Miles from the Smiths. [00:05:45] Speaker B: Really? [00:05:45] Speaker C: He was like, I am so, so embarrassing. [00:05:48] Speaker B: That's huge. We watched high flying birds. He brought out Johnny Marr as well. [00:05:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:53] Speaker B: He just gets out. [00:05:54] Speaker A: What, Johnny Marr? [00:05:54] Speaker C: Yeah, he's really nice. [00:05:55] Speaker A: He's. Yes. I've just realized on a podcast, and I'm not gonna. We went to watch Johnny Maher, isla White, didn't we? And because he's the. Cause Morris is a questionable character these days. Seeing Johnny Maher is like, the best thing you'll see. Now, if you're a Smiths fan, that's cool. And I was a really, really big Smiths fan. So, like, we left the prodigy. They were min. I, like, ran to the other side of the festival, watched, like, watched Johnny Maher play, like, four Smith's tunes and then legged it back for the rest of the prodigy. And Johnny Maher is so good, to be fair. [00:06:27] Speaker B: You saw prodigy and Johnny Maher both without their leading men. [00:06:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:31] Speaker B: How crazy is that? [00:06:32] Speaker A: What's his name? I think it's prodigy. [00:06:34] Speaker B: It's Keith someone. [00:06:35] Speaker A: Keith Urban. [00:06:37] Speaker C: Oh, I recognize that name. [00:06:38] Speaker B: What's his name? [00:06:38] Speaker A: He had the, like. [00:06:39] Speaker B: I can't remember what his name is. [00:06:40] Speaker A: The lead head, but with the vocalist. [00:06:42] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:06:43] Speaker A: No Hulk. [00:06:44] Speaker B: Spiky things. Well, remember the second we finished? [00:06:46] Speaker A: I'm horrified that we. [00:06:49] Speaker B: He only died less than, like, five years ago. [00:06:51] Speaker A: He's quite Keith, isn't he? I think it's Keith. [00:06:52] Speaker B: It's Keith's on. I don't know, Lil, what's the lead. The lead vocalist for Prodigy called. I meant, like, to google it. [00:07:01] Speaker A: We're really this special mention here for Matthew Rose Blint, who are really missing our fact checking because our camera woman is just laying on the floor, just on Twitter or whatever. But we're being, this is. This is. He's an icon. [00:07:14] Speaker B: I can't. [00:07:15] Speaker A: We can't move on to a. [00:07:16] Speaker C: Can't be that much of an icon if you don't know his name. [00:07:17] Speaker A: No, his image is so iconic. [00:07:21] Speaker C: Keith. [00:07:21] Speaker B: Keith. He's what? It was very close. [00:07:26] Speaker A: I don't know why you went with Alex. We'd already established it was Keith. Oh, it's Alex. [00:07:31] Speaker C: What's his face. [00:07:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:33] Speaker A: Anyway, the prodigy were great. Johnny Mower was great. So, I mean, I want to. I would love to just sit and pry Pippa's mind for some of the things. [00:07:40] Speaker B: For sure. No, for sure. [00:07:42] Speaker A: To get things rolling. What we've started to do with people. We've got our little thing called Desert Island Disc. [00:07:50] Speaker C: Okay. I don't think that's your thing. [00:07:51] Speaker A: Oh, I know. [00:07:52] Speaker B: No, it's not. We didn't come up with it. [00:07:53] Speaker A: I was about to establish it. [00:07:54] Speaker C: I feel like I've heard of that potentially. [00:07:55] Speaker A: So, yeah, we created this thing. [00:07:57] Speaker C: Guess what? [00:07:58] Speaker A: Yeah. But we want to know what your three desert island discs are. [00:08:02] Speaker C: Three? [00:08:03] Speaker A: Yes, three. And to establish some ground rules. [00:08:06] Speaker C: Okay. [00:08:07] Speaker A: Because what. I think it's a bit of a question to drop on musicians. [00:08:11] Speaker C: I think it's weird because I was actually having this discussion with my dad and his partner the other day. So I've got my answers. [00:08:16] Speaker B: Let's hear it. Don't say no more. [00:08:18] Speaker A: Well, because the only thing I wanted to say was a lot of people struggle because it's like, it can be your favorites, it can be this, it can be that. But the way we want to try and think about it is to like, because especially for you as an artist, for people who don't know you, I think it's a good chance to show. [00:08:30] Speaker B: It'S a reflection of who you are. [00:08:33] Speaker A: It doesn't have to be like, three. [00:08:34] Speaker C: Is hard for me because I think a good challenge. [00:08:38] Speaker A: You can do five if you want, but we normally don't say five because then people are like, they bang out three and then they're like, oh, yeah. [00:08:43] Speaker B: It'S hard to think all time. [00:08:44] Speaker A: But, I mean, if you're clued up, then you're free. [00:08:46] Speaker C: Okay, well, no, I think I'll stick with three. [00:08:48] Speaker B: Okay. [00:08:49] Speaker C: I'm actually now stressed, but I don't know if they're that representative of my music. [00:08:53] Speaker A: It doesn't have to be, but what. [00:08:54] Speaker B: Are you gonna wanna listen to till the end of your life? [00:08:56] Speaker C: Yeah. My favorite song of my life is kind of. It's not niche, but it's kind of random. Is Waterloo sunset by the kinks. [00:09:10] Speaker A: What a fucking brilliant song that is. [00:09:13] Speaker C: Yeah. I will never tarve it. [00:09:16] Speaker B: I'm the kings. But I'd have to hear it, so I don't want to. You can either sing familiar. Yeah. Okay. [00:09:23] Speaker A: Like, James will be so upset with you right now. [00:09:25] Speaker B: That's his bag. [00:09:27] Speaker C: Anyway, it was like my parents aren't together anymore, but it was their favorite, I. I think. Well, I don't know. Is their favorite song, but they always played together and they would always dance to it together. [00:09:34] Speaker A: Fantastic. [00:09:35] Speaker C: And I would want it as my first dance. Whoever I marry, that's our first dance song. Sorry, it's decided. I just couldn't. I never get bored of listening to it. It's nostalgic. [00:09:45] Speaker A: It's a timeless song, isn't it? [00:09:46] Speaker C: I think it's nostalgic, but actually it's also a really good song. [00:09:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:49] Speaker B: Is the rest of the album also backing up? Are you just doing it for that one song? [00:09:53] Speaker C: No, no, just that one song song. [00:09:55] Speaker A: Respecting a single. [00:09:56] Speaker C: Yeah, respect. [00:09:58] Speaker B: I mean, it depends how good the two of the slots are. [00:10:01] Speaker C: Okay, now I have to pick from my. Because I've got seven and I can't. [00:10:05] Speaker A: You said you didn't want to do five. You're allowed five if you want five. [00:10:09] Speaker C: No, no, no. Okay. Golden Brown by the Stranglers. [00:10:15] Speaker A: Hello. I didn't expect that. [00:10:17] Speaker C: Yeah. Again, kind of random. [00:10:18] Speaker A: The album? [00:10:19] Speaker C: No, no, the song. [00:10:20] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:10:21] Speaker B: You're picking. [00:10:21] Speaker C: Am I allowed to pick albums? [00:10:22] Speaker B: Yes, you're supposed to pick albums. Not too close. Not too close. Oh, my God, guys. [00:10:25] Speaker C: Well, this is completely different. [00:10:27] Speaker B: Well, I thought you still have song, that's why. Is that enough to carry over it? [00:10:31] Speaker A: You inventor's island. I know what this is. [00:10:35] Speaker C: I thought it was songs. Okay, okay, okay. A raise quickly. Well, for everyone's information there, my, they would be the two things. [00:10:43] Speaker B: Gotcha. [00:10:44] Speaker A: I didn't expect them, though. [00:10:45] Speaker B: But is the king's tune not just going to be that song in that album as you. [00:10:49] Speaker C: No. [00:10:50] Speaker B: Okay, go ahead. [00:10:50] Speaker A: The Kings have got a lot of songs. [00:10:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:53] Speaker A: And they're spread across a lot. [00:10:54] Speaker C: Okay, well, then a scrap array start game changing. Okay, then I'm gonna go. Oh, my God. [00:11:04] Speaker A: I don't know, innit? [00:11:04] Speaker C: Yeah, I think I'm gonna go Frank by Amy Winehouse. [00:11:08] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. [00:11:09] Speaker C: Because that was. I think it was the first vinyl I got. I mean, don't get me wrong for so many problems. [00:11:16] Speaker A: Yeah. But for so many, probably. [00:11:18] Speaker C: Yeah. And that is one where, like, I could listen to everybody song. And I like the fact that that was, like, growing up, I didn't ever actually really listen to albums top to bottom. [00:11:28] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:11:29] Speaker C: And that was like. Because it was my first vinyl. [00:11:31] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:11:32] Speaker C: That's what I did with that. [00:11:33] Speaker A: I love that everyone can remember, I mean, especially, I think, our generation, where it wasn't as big of a deal to be buying albums. I think everybody that's around our age can remember that one. [00:11:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:44] Speaker A: Like, I can remember one. And it was the first time I'd ever bought an album myself. Yeah. [00:11:50] Speaker B: Big occasion. [00:11:51] Speaker A: And that has actually had a big influence in your art. [00:11:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I would say that. I would say so. Especially. Cause that's around the time that I started writing songs. [00:12:00] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, of course. 14. Yeah. [00:12:01] Speaker C: So, like. Yeah, it definitely had an influence. I would say tapestry by Carole King, but I think that's pretty classic. [00:12:09] Speaker A: That's a great album. [00:12:10] Speaker C: But that is a true, like, every song on that album, back to back, is just like. Yeah, I could talk about Carole King all day, but, like, she's also a big influence. [00:12:22] Speaker A: That's like the singer songwriters, the whole entire universe. [00:12:26] Speaker C: I would argue. We'll get on to that. Okay. And a more recent one, messy by Olivia Dean. Oh, Olivia Dean is, like the artist of my life. [00:12:36] Speaker B: I thought, I'll come up being someone who went through all of your TikToks. It came up, so it makes sense. [00:12:43] Speaker C: Do you know what's so irritating? Right? And I'm so glad that she is getting her flowers because she so deserves them. She's. [00:12:48] Speaker A: I knew you were going to say this. [00:12:50] Speaker C: Unreal. Do you know what I'm going to say? I assume I found Olivia Dean. [00:12:54] Speaker A: There we go. [00:12:55] Speaker C: On in her first ep, and everyone was. No one knew. It was through a Spotify editorials. [00:12:59] Speaker B: What year is this? [00:13:01] Speaker C: It was my first year of uni, so 2019. [00:13:03] Speaker B: Okay. [00:13:05] Speaker C: And she'd. Yeah, I think she'd released one or two eps, and I was obsessed and no one was really onto it. And last year she released an album. Everyone fucking loves her now, which I'm obviously happy about, but I'm like, I actually wasn't. [00:13:19] Speaker B: Yeah, you need to. [00:13:20] Speaker C: Yeah, like, I actually was. And I've not even just been. [00:13:23] Speaker A: Everybody, like, takes the piss out of people. Gatekeeping, artists. But we've all done it. No, we have, and I still do it. [00:13:30] Speaker C: Who do you do it with? [00:13:31] Speaker A: Well, I remember doing it with law Carna for a while. Yeah, I remember doing it with. [00:13:38] Speaker B: Oh, I know what. Tom Mish. I was following him when he would, like, less than 10,000 followers. [00:13:41] Speaker C: Followers. [00:13:42] Speaker B: And he owes me a check because the amount of people I've entered his music with. [00:13:46] Speaker A: Have you ever done the. Like. And this is a bit of a weird question, but, like, almost the opposite of gatekeeping. Like, not listening to someone because they've been raved about too much. Because that's what I was like with Tom Mish. [00:13:54] Speaker C: I had that with Tom Mish. [00:13:56] Speaker A: Second year of union was the first time I even bothered listening to. I heard his name so many times. I was like, fuck, is he any good? [00:14:00] Speaker B: And you listen and go, okay, it turns out he's. [00:14:02] Speaker A: And I went back to beat him to, oh, my God, he is the messiah. [00:14:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I do that with films a lot as well. [00:14:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:08] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's a really one to do it. If it's too big, you're like, I just don't want to get to it. It's too big. [00:14:12] Speaker C: It feels too big for me. I am basic bitch, so I end up getting there. [00:14:18] Speaker B: Oh, I think you got your last one. [00:14:20] Speaker A: Oh, no, you haven't. Before we move on, think about it. [00:14:24] Speaker B: No, I was just going to say on that. On the Tom Mish one, me and Sam found out years after. [00:14:29] Speaker A: Oh, crazy. [00:14:29] Speaker B: We were both at the same Tom Mish gig. Like, I was on the left with one of my friends, and he was on the right with, like, our joint best friend. [00:14:36] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:14:37] Speaker B: On the same gig. And my best friend just didn't communicate with me, even though I'm the one who showed him. [00:14:42] Speaker C: Thomas. And you didn't know each other. [00:14:43] Speaker B: I wasn't. I didn't even know. I hadn't met you at this point. Maybe I'd met you once. [00:14:47] Speaker A: Not to hijack your episode. [00:14:49] Speaker B: Yeah, just with an interesting. [00:14:52] Speaker A: Me and Liam met four or five years ago. Well, actually met six, probably seven. [00:14:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:14:58] Speaker A: But through Dave Smith. So Dave Smith is Liam's oldest friends. [00:15:03] Speaker B: Probably one of oldest friends, yeah, for sure. [00:15:05] Speaker A: And we were, like, parallel to Dave for years. [00:15:09] Speaker B: Separate lines. [00:15:10] Speaker A: Because Dave can't communicate for anything. We love him so much for it, but it's completely his fault we didn't meet earlier. It avoided this fantastic friendship. [00:15:17] Speaker C: You do really give lifelong friends. [00:15:19] Speaker B: Well, we hear this. [00:15:20] Speaker C: We get this, like, so cute. [00:15:24] Speaker A: Yeah. And so that's Dave's fault that it wasn't true. [00:15:26] Speaker B: It is. [00:15:26] Speaker C: That actually happened with me and one of my best friends as well. [00:15:29] Speaker A: It's the best way. [00:15:29] Speaker B: Well, you were at the same event. [00:15:30] Speaker C: Like, separate. We were at McFly gig. [00:15:33] Speaker B: Oh, that's cool. [00:15:35] Speaker C: And Molly screamed, I love you, and I heard it, and I have it on video. [00:15:40] Speaker B: And that's way better than ours. That's way better than ours. [00:15:44] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Is that Molly Becker? [00:15:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:45] Speaker A: Oh, my God. That's so fucking cool. That's like. Have you ever seen those? You could see him on instagram where there's, like, some. I think there's, like, a japanese couple. [00:15:53] Speaker B: I know what you're talking about. Exactly. They're in. That would have been a major flex if we were, like, we'd taken a picture and you were just in that. [00:16:02] Speaker A: I haven't looked back on any of my Tom mish videos yet. [00:16:05] Speaker C: You don't know because I don't. Until we discussed. [00:16:06] Speaker B: I remember we asking because it came my memories, and I was like, hey, you said you saw tamishe. It was five years ago today. Wayne Sheen, he was like, I saw it on this day. And then we figured out. And it's like, I was way on the left, he was way on the right. But the fact is, at a gig, you're there early, and you, like, walk on, you get a drink. It's just outrageous. We didn't pass each other because I'm sure it was because it was Apollo. [00:16:27] Speaker A: So it wasn't my huge. Oh, was it? Yeah. [00:16:31] Speaker B: There you go. And we were both on the ground floor. It's ridiculous. [00:16:33] Speaker A: I didn't run into mental. And again, very Dave. The Dave. [00:16:36] Speaker C: To have not said, I'm gonna go through every gig I've ever been to and try and find a husband that's like. And then engineer the story. [00:16:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And then sell the script. [00:16:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:46] Speaker B: That's a good story. On your wedding day. [00:16:47] Speaker A: Oh, fantastic. Oh, that was a nice little segue. [00:16:50] Speaker B: That was a lovely little segue. [00:16:51] Speaker A: Would you like to introduce. [00:16:56] Speaker B: Speaking of. Anyway, just because you've already mentioned some artists that you're a major fan of, and I already feel like, because I know this answer because like I said, I went through every reel, every TikTok and was taking notes and was like, also, great way you market yourself. But we'll get onto that after to give us your Mount Rushmore of music artists. So I've done this four. [00:17:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:14] Speaker B: For you, Mark Rushmore. So we did this usually for our, like, our last song was he was just his hip hop goats or his four best rappers ever. But for you, it's your four hip. Your four artists. [00:17:25] Speaker A: To make it a little bit easier then if you're struggling. Yeah. Your four artists that have kind of shaped you. [00:17:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:30] Speaker A: Because what we've been trying to do is because the running theme we have and we always joke about is that we didn't want to be another podcast that gets a musician on who doesn't have millions of streams already. [00:17:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:41] Speaker A: Just be like, also, why did you write that song? [00:17:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:43] Speaker A: Ten minutes of a story that, no, I love this, Jamie. So I think this is a good way for people to go, oh, shit, if that's hers, I'm gonna like her for sure. So, okay. If that tailors it a little bit more for you. [00:17:52] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll get. Well, obviously first I will go Olivia Dean. [00:17:55] Speaker B: I thought so. [00:17:56] Speaker C: Makes sense. I just like her. The way that she phrases and writes lyrics was the first person I'd heard who was I? That's exactly how I hear myself writing lyrics. [00:18:07] Speaker A: I could totally relate. [00:18:09] Speaker C: And I think lyrics is such an important because I've big part of your music as well. [00:18:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:13] Speaker C: Like, I'm so honest to my detriment at times. [00:18:17] Speaker A: I don't think so. [00:18:18] Speaker C: No. I literally had one of my friends listening to my new songs the other day, and she was like, you actually can't. She was like, you have to wait at least a year. You have to wait for the dust to settle. [00:18:27] Speaker B: That's a good friend, though. [00:18:29] Speaker C: Yeah. I was like, I'm not doing that. [00:18:31] Speaker A: He would be totally opposite for me. Cross that bitch out. [00:18:35] Speaker C: Start a fire. But, yeah, no, so I'm so personal, and I feel like she is too. So, like, exactly what she's talking about. And I love that. [00:18:45] Speaker A: So I think people buy into you like that about you. Just the way that she's got really successful off people doing that with her. [00:18:53] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. [00:18:54] Speaker A: And I think that's something that you're doing really well, isn't it? Because me and Liam discussed. Anyway, like, I mean, again, sorry to hijack. I think what's really good about your social media presence is that it reflects you perfectly and it's not gimmicky. [00:19:07] Speaker C: I'm sorry. That is what I'm really trying to do. [00:19:11] Speaker A: You really are. Because I have only recently tried to get more on the ball of my stuff and I'm, like, fluttering between trying to be really genuine, to be in performances, to just being jumping on trends. [00:19:21] Speaker C: I think yours is very much representative of you. [00:19:23] Speaker A: Well, thank you. I mean, only because the silly gimmicky stuff is my humor anyway. But I admire yours for you. Just. You can literally just turn the camera and talk about anything and what you've been doing and people are buying into it. You're laughing, but people are buying into it. They are. And that's what's happened really well for Olivia Dean, isn't she? [00:19:40] Speaker C: So I can see that she's so personable. And I have met her. I went to her signing and I was like, oh, my God. I'm such a big fan. [00:19:47] Speaker A: Did you get to see her secret set at Glaston? [00:19:50] Speaker C: No, but don't talk about it. Oh, my God. No. So our births left at six and her secret set was at six. And I was like, guys, is that. [00:19:56] Speaker A: Turn the boss around? [00:19:57] Speaker C: Is there any chance we can delay the bus now? They were like, no. You are literally sat on a bus with the band. [00:20:02] Speaker A: It was waiting for you. It literally looked like the most secret of secret sets as well. [00:20:06] Speaker C: It was on. [00:20:06] Speaker A: The band was, like, on that table. [00:20:08] Speaker C: It was on the Stromerville stage, which is the stage that she played last year. Well, she did learn in hot school as well, but she played that stage last year and then she was doing fucking pyramid this year. [00:20:16] Speaker A: That's massive. [00:20:16] Speaker B: That's Mega. [00:20:17] Speaker C: Just, like, mental. That's huge. So, yeah, she is very much the artist of mine. [00:20:22] Speaker B: Yeah, that's your number one. You got three more. [00:20:25] Speaker C: I would say Arlo parks. [00:20:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:28] Speaker C: Because, again, it's like a lyric thing, but also just. I feel like her music is. I feel like it's just all very chilled and just, like, such easy listening in the best way, which is something that I aim for. [00:20:43] Speaker A: Yes, totally. [00:20:45] Speaker C: And I also just think she's a wicked person. [00:20:48] Speaker A: She's fucking great. [00:20:49] Speaker C: I've never used the word wicked. [00:20:50] Speaker B: She's an accurate thing. [00:20:53] Speaker A: My dad came from Sheffield, said wicked all the time. [00:20:55] Speaker C: Really? [00:20:56] Speaker A: So I thought that was a Sheffield thing you were about. [00:20:57] Speaker C: No, no. Weird that I even said that. Okay, I've got two more yeah. [00:21:04] Speaker A: Oh, on the Arlo thing, though, I think one thing that's, again, to dissect your stuff, Arlo's really good. The lyrics being really in depth and personal and kind of emotional. But the beats are almost making you bop your head. [00:21:17] Speaker C: Yes. [00:21:17] Speaker A: That's one thing I take. I've always took from her, is, like, to try and make people bop the head while it's being really sad. But I think you've done that really well. I mean, even sleep on it. Like, the chorus, like, you actually are bop and your hair boiler. [00:21:29] Speaker C: This is attractive. Yeah. No, I've just wrote a song a couple of weeks ago about the most. I mean, it's, like, the saddest song I've ever written. And it is one of those, like, you would. [00:21:42] Speaker A: They're the best kind for me. [00:21:43] Speaker C: Yeah. And then we were in the studio, and I was like, how can I make this even sadder? Because it doesn't feel that sad. So I, like, put in a voicemail of my granny talking at either side. My producer, Toby, was like, I think we're gonna have to mute it as we put it in because we can't. [00:21:57] Speaker A: Actually mix with it. [00:21:59] Speaker C: We can't do this. We have to put it on. Right. [00:22:01] Speaker A: We'll unmute it just before it's mastered. [00:22:03] Speaker C: Because I can't hear that at the time. Okay. Three. [00:22:10] Speaker A: I think they get harder as you go along. [00:22:12] Speaker C: Yeah, they do. I'm trying to think of my reference playlist. [00:22:14] Speaker B: Less people to get it through. [00:22:15] Speaker C: Um. Let me just, like, go through it. Oh, okay. Kind of niche. Rachel Tyneriri. Have you heard of her? [00:22:23] Speaker A: No. [00:22:23] Speaker B: No. [00:22:24] Speaker C: She's, like, on the rise. [00:22:25] Speaker A: Okay. [00:22:26] Speaker C: And already a Mount Rushmore. [00:22:27] Speaker A: Good luck. [00:22:28] Speaker C: She had a. She had. Yeah. She's just, like, at the forefront of my mind. [00:22:32] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:33] Speaker C: She had a song that went viral on TikTok. A couple. [00:22:36] Speaker A: So we might know a song. [00:22:38] Speaker C: Remember all is of you. You're not? [00:22:43] Speaker B: No. Maybe. I'm not sure. [00:22:44] Speaker C: I feel like if you heard it. [00:22:45] Speaker B: Maybe if I'd heard it. [00:22:47] Speaker A: Lockdown. [00:22:48] Speaker C: We're on the girl. [00:22:50] Speaker A: It was just call of duty loadouts every day. [00:22:52] Speaker C: I was on, like, emotional montage. [00:22:53] Speaker A: Yeah, there we go. [00:22:55] Speaker C: But she. Yeah, she's, like, very authentically herself, kind of similar to what I am kind of wanting to do. I was. She was playing the other stage. She was two sets before us at Glastonbury. [00:23:11] Speaker A: Right. [00:23:12] Speaker C: And I was, like, fangirling. And she was backstage, I was like, oh, my God. I can't come over and talk to her. I'm too scared. But, you know, when you can just tell someone, it's a really genuine. She was exactly. Not that I was, like, just sat watching her backstage, but you could just tell she's exactly the person she portrays herself as. [00:23:28] Speaker A: I've got be respectful. [00:23:29] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. When I feel like in that situation, you could really easily be a diva. [00:23:33] Speaker A: Hell, yeah. [00:23:34] Speaker C: Like, when you're like, I'm backstage at Glastonbury and I'm about to play my own music. Like, you could so easily diva. And she's just totally wasn't. [00:23:40] Speaker A: That's a moment in it where. Yeah, you go one or two ways. [00:23:43] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:23:44] Speaker A: Really appreciative or like, fuck me. [00:23:45] Speaker B: I'm literally. [00:23:46] Speaker A: I'm shit. [00:23:48] Speaker C: Yeah. And, yeah, I think she's just great. I would, like, recommend her music. I was doing. I've been doing, like, hammering writing sessions since I moved to London and a lot of the people that I've been writing with have also written with her. So I, like, really went through her whole catalog and was like, there is not one skip. Like, they're just all really good. So would recommend. Okay, it's a good third and I feel like my fourth. I'm gonna go. [00:24:20] Speaker A: There'S one. I don't want to say it for you, but I'm really surprised. Carole King. [00:24:25] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, let's put her on it. [00:24:27] Speaker A: Let's put her on it. I'm not telling. [00:24:29] Speaker C: No, let's put her on it. [00:24:30] Speaker A: But just what you said about the albumen. [00:24:32] Speaker C: Yeah, no, that. I mean, she. I feel like Carole King is a solid person. [00:24:38] Speaker A: I think she's, you know when certain people are almost, like, so iconic that you don't think about them because they're just above everything. [00:24:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:44] Speaker A: Carole King's a bit like that, especially for singer songwriters. [00:24:46] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you're right. [00:24:47] Speaker A: If you named your top five, you went Vanamer. [00:24:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:49] Speaker A: She's just like. [00:24:50] Speaker C: Because it's just a given. [00:24:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:51] Speaker C: You just assume that she's. [00:24:52] Speaker A: Nobody says Michael Jackson's a favorite artist. [00:24:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:55] Speaker A: We don't even think of. Michael Jackson's a favorite point. [00:24:57] Speaker C: Yeah. Jeremy, I think. Yeah, I think you've got a friend was, like, life changing vibes for me. Like that song. Not to be morbid, but it's at the top of my funeral list. [00:25:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:25:11] Speaker C: Like that song. If they don't play at my funeral, I'm waking up and time stamp. [00:25:15] Speaker A: Putting it on time stamp. [00:25:17] Speaker C: I've got it in the notes on my phone. If I die tomorrow. [00:25:19] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll make sure. To let your family know. [00:25:21] Speaker C: Thank you. They know. [00:25:24] Speaker B: They know. [00:25:24] Speaker C: Yeah. I was gonna say cry music doesn't often make me cry, but that does really. But that song makes me sob. And do you know what? Crossover moment. I went to see Olivia Dean last week. Last year. Last week. I went to see her last year and she played it. [00:25:40] Speaker A: Oh, my God. That's insane. Sobbing that's crazy. [00:25:45] Speaker C: But that's because she is, like, she's a monument artist for everyone. [00:25:50] Speaker A: Oh, you know, I mean, I've got such a cool one as well. Just quick like, me and people were talking before about. We had Jamie Lawson in the studio. [00:25:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:57] Speaker A: And we were both talking because we both loved the. Wasn't expecting that. The big song. [00:26:00] Speaker C: That song's made me cry. [00:26:01] Speaker A: And the whole of the moon by the water boys is one of my all time favorite songs, you know? [00:26:05] Speaker C: No, I don't know. [00:26:06] Speaker A: You saw the whole of the moon. You do. [00:26:08] Speaker C: I don't. [00:26:09] Speaker A: Oh, my God. You do. [00:26:11] Speaker B: No, I don't. [00:26:12] Speaker A: Fuck both of you. Like she should. [00:26:14] Speaker B: Not more than me. The ph. [00:26:16] Speaker C: Yeah, sorry. I do have a degree in that. [00:26:17] Speaker A: You definitely, I promise you, if I played you the song. [00:26:19] Speaker C: Okay. [00:26:20] Speaker A: Anyway, it's a big song for me and Lil's, but it was the last song not to be super depressing. It's the last song that my mom and dad danced to in the kitchen before my dad passed away. So it's a big song to all, and I love it. And Lil's was in the control room when he was rehearsing and I was telling her about how mad it is having him there playing the song that meant so much to me. And then he fucking started singing that song shut down and he was doing a TikTok. [00:26:41] Speaker B: That's gorgeous. [00:26:42] Speaker A: And like, it was just amazing. [00:26:44] Speaker C: Oh, my God. I would not be able to cope. [00:26:46] Speaker A: For the rest of it, honestly. It was a moment that, I mean, to be fair, through that session, there was so many times I told him. Yeah, I told him a few times. But there was. There was so many times where he'd do something like that and I'd be like, every time, every time he did it, it took every. Every bit of me to not open the door and just go and sit and watch. [00:26:59] Speaker B: Oh, you should have done. [00:27:00] Speaker A: There's a couple of times I did. And to be fair, but, like, it was more because I'm very conscious of, I want this place to obviously be a safe space for artists and it's not really a safe space. [00:27:09] Speaker B: Unprofessional. If you're like crying in the corner. [00:27:13] Speaker A: I know you've come but this place. But can I just, like, sit and watch? Balance that. And across three days I got my fair share of. To be fair. But anyway. But anyway. Yeah, sorry for hijacking that, but there's something about seeing an artist that you love cover another song that means a lot. [00:27:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:29] Speaker B: That's special. [00:27:30] Speaker A: I mean, and that's why I'm always a big fan of colours. There's a bit of a taboo in it with original artists, but I fucking love. [00:27:36] Speaker C: Yeah. No, I think songs mean a lot to you. [00:27:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:39] Speaker C: Like, we obviously know that doing covers gigs is imperative to be. And I think people can tell, like, when you sing a song that really means something to you, play it. It resonates with people. [00:27:51] Speaker A: I also think it's a really good way to show people what you're about. [00:27:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:54] Speaker A: I mean, as, like, me and people were discussing before, like, I think throwing a cover in your original set for the fifth. People that have never heard you before, like, not only does it, like, bring their attention and keep them engaged, but they can hear what you've done with the song. [00:28:08] Speaker C: Yes. [00:28:08] Speaker A: And that translates really well to, like. [00:28:10] Speaker C: Oh, that's what they're about you. [00:28:11] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:28:12] Speaker C: So much about you. [00:28:13] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:28:13] Speaker B: If I was at the gig when for you first did, like, Frank Ocean nikes for the first time, I go, oh, I immediately know we would be friends because you like this and you're performing in a way that I think is really cool. I think that's really valuable. [00:28:26] Speaker C: Like, when you did. Was it evergreen? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sick. [00:28:31] Speaker A: I mean, it was because of fifth. [00:28:33] Speaker B: Yeah, she just wanted that. It was sick. Because I was backing vocalist context. [00:28:37] Speaker A: I had three incredible backing vocalists and Pippa was one of them. That was some context there. But that was. I mean, I still look back. I want to record the backing vocals. [00:28:44] Speaker C: Oh, my God, you totally should. Totally should. [00:28:47] Speaker A: So fucking good. Well, yeah, exactly that. But because also it doesn't have to be an artist. Everybody knows as well. I mean, Frank Ocean's a really good one for my stuff because I think if you like Frank Ocean, I like to think you like my stuff. But not everybody knows Frank Ocean. [00:29:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:01] Speaker B: No, but also Dominic fikes. [00:29:04] Speaker A: What's politics and violence? [00:29:06] Speaker B: Politics and violence. I think it's another good one where it feels so you. That. I can't remember my sister, when she. When I first played it, she thought. [00:29:13] Speaker A: It was you singing it. [00:29:14] Speaker B: One. It sounds like your voice anyway. Even though you. He's american. I thought this was Sam's music was like, it's not, but it's very much him. [00:29:27] Speaker C: Died on the spot. [00:29:28] Speaker B: It's a samovarian. [00:29:29] Speaker A: It's the most music nerd thing I'll ever say. And I think you might have been at R and T M while it happened, but when snarky puppy came in. I know they've been in a few times, but there was one time they came in for a masterclass, and Michael league, bass player for snarky Puppy said, the best compliment you can get off someone is if they can hear your inspirations in your music, because it means you've done something right. [00:29:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:49] Speaker A: Basically every single artist, even Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, everyone you can think of, everyone is a bad attempt at sounding like they're. [00:29:55] Speaker C: Yeah, that's a good. [00:29:56] Speaker A: Because we all strive to sound like a, b and c morph. And the happy accident can still be great or whatever, but if they can hear that, you've done something wrong. [00:30:04] Speaker C: I agree. [00:30:05] Speaker A: So whenever anyone says anything, like Frank Ocean, James Blake, Tyler Crater, Dominic Fike, Daniel Caesar, anything, I'm like, that's me. [00:30:16] Speaker C: That's me. [00:30:17] Speaker A: Yeah, you're actually right. [00:30:19] Speaker C: Correct. [00:30:19] Speaker A: Yes, I do sound like that. On purpose. [00:30:22] Speaker C: Intentional. [00:30:23] Speaker B: Intentional. [00:30:24] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. So. So, yeah, I think that's a big old compliment. [00:30:26] Speaker B: That's lovely to keep it moving on because I really want to get to your TikTok and the way you market yourself, I've got some questions around that, a quick this or that. So no thoughts on it at all. Just gives you one word answer to some this or that. Don't overthink it. [00:30:42] Speaker C: Okay. [00:30:43] Speaker B: Okay. [00:30:43] Speaker C: Me and not. [00:30:45] Speaker A: I mean, you're allowed to justify. If you really. [00:30:47] Speaker B: Yeah. If you feel like you need to back it, then explain it. [00:30:51] Speaker C: Do you know what I mean? [00:30:51] Speaker A: And it's a range of silly and serious. It's gonna keep you on your toe with it. [00:30:54] Speaker C: Okay, that's fine. [00:30:55] Speaker B: Okay. So to start us off, I think even the first one, you're gonna wanna go. I need 20 minutes to think about this. Lyrics or melody? First lyrics. Cool. [00:31:04] Speaker A: Wow. [00:31:04] Speaker B: Summer or winter? [00:31:09] Speaker C: Well, summer, but I love Christmas. Christmas has gotta get its dues. [00:31:14] Speaker B: It's summer, but it's close. Yeah. Okay. [00:31:16] Speaker A: I'm like that, though. [00:31:17] Speaker B: Sabrina or Taylor Swift? [00:31:18] Speaker C: Sabrina. [00:31:19] Speaker B: Okay. Comedy or drama? [00:31:21] Speaker C: Comedy. [00:31:22] Speaker B: Coke or Pepsi? [00:31:23] Speaker C: Coke. [00:31:24] Speaker B: Sunrise or sunset? [00:31:26] Speaker C: Sunset. [00:31:27] Speaker B: Cocktail or spirits? [00:31:29] Speaker C: Cocktail. Who the. Sorry, who's saying spirits? [00:31:33] Speaker B: This is what I wanted to know. [00:31:35] Speaker A: These are the questions we want to know. [00:31:38] Speaker B: Early bird or night owl? [00:31:39] Speaker C: Night owl. [00:31:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:41] Speaker B: Solo or band? Performance band? Classic hits or chart toppers? Classic hits museum or art gallery. Really? This is my next one's. [00:31:51] Speaker C: Yours. [00:31:52] Speaker B: Interesting. Okay, so if anyone's interested in taking a pipper on a date, just know, avoid those two things. [00:31:58] Speaker C: Yeah, don't get any. My cultural big Tesco will do. [00:32:00] Speaker B: Big Tesco? [00:32:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:03] Speaker B: I love it. God, you're doing the next eleven. I love the Easter eggs. [00:32:10] Speaker A: Do you know how hard it took me to not say that? [00:32:13] Speaker B: Yeah, you're already thinking of it. You're already thinking of it. [00:32:18] Speaker C: I don't know if that's. [00:32:19] Speaker A: Anyway, moving on. So the next ten. Singing indoors or singing outdoors? [00:32:25] Speaker C: Indoors. I have really bad hay fever. [00:32:26] Speaker A: Oh. How's the festival season been? [00:32:28] Speaker C: Really difficult. [00:32:29] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Come on. [00:32:30] Speaker C: I have these really extra strong hay fever tablets and that pyraton on crack, and I've had to say, like, seven of them in a day. [00:32:38] Speaker B: I would have thought you would have said outdoor. Cause mostly I've seen you like outdoor. [00:32:42] Speaker C: They're cooler gigs, these granddaddy. But you've also got, I think that going and doing a sound check in somewhere, like, not to. This is such a name drop, but when you go in the sound check in somewhere like the Royal Albert hall or the o two and seeing it empty. Yeah, seeing might drop, but seeing, like, an outdoor venue empty is just kind of like, well, I'm just outside. [00:33:05] Speaker B: I get that. That makes sense. [00:33:06] Speaker A: I sometimes find that seeing an arena like that empty is actually more impressive. [00:33:10] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:33:11] Speaker A: Cause you're like, fucking hell, right? [00:33:12] Speaker C: I. Can you hear me? [00:33:13] Speaker A: Yeah, it looks insane. Yeah, like, you're right when you to play festival, even if it was not that I ever have, even if you play pyramid stage empty, it's just a field, isn't it? [00:33:20] Speaker C: Really a nice one. [00:33:21] Speaker A: A great field. [00:33:22] Speaker C: Great grass. [00:33:23] Speaker A: Looks great before everyone's walked. [00:33:24] Speaker C: Yeah. I had to wear a hoodie last night and I had my sunglasses on. You can see I look like a prick, to be completely honest. [00:33:32] Speaker A: In all black, though, it was still fit in. Anyway, this is. This is an essential one. Okay, Sheffield or Manchester? [00:33:41] Speaker B: Oh, the paws. [00:33:43] Speaker A: Like me, Pippa has feet in both camps. [00:33:47] Speaker B: Yeah, true. [00:33:48] Speaker C: I say Sheffield because I grew up there. [00:33:50] Speaker B: It makes sense. [00:33:51] Speaker C: But now I actually have family in Sheffield and Manchester, and I feel like, to give Manchester its credit, do it as you should. I feel actually like it's quite a home. [00:34:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:03] Speaker C: And I don't feel like I lived in Liverpool for a bit, and I never felt like that was really home. Manchester does feel like home, but also, I've just chosen to move out of it. [00:34:13] Speaker A: Yeah, but that's for other reasons, isn't it? [00:34:14] Speaker C: Yeah, but Sheffield is like my home. My real, like, home. [00:34:19] Speaker A: You've already gone one further than me. I would have just refused to answer. [00:34:21] Speaker B: You're much more Manchester City. I am much more Manchester, to be fair. Yeah, by the nine United shirts. [00:34:28] Speaker C: I think, objectively, Manchester is better than Sheffield. That's not difficult at all. [00:34:32] Speaker B: But it's a person. It's a relative thing. It's for you. [00:34:34] Speaker A: But, like, Sheffield's good at feeling like home for many people, I think. [00:34:37] Speaker C: And, like, I live near, like, the peak district and it's the most beautiful place. I mean, I guess Manchester can somewhat claim that as well. [00:34:45] Speaker B: But, like, not the same way. [00:34:47] Speaker C: Not the same way. [00:34:47] Speaker B: No, I get that. [00:34:48] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, some quick fire. This, isn't it? [00:34:50] Speaker C: Yes. [00:34:51] Speaker A: Totally my fault. Well, on that. City or countryside? [00:34:55] Speaker C: Countryside. [00:34:58] Speaker A: You were sure. [00:34:59] Speaker C: City 180. [00:35:01] Speaker A: Okay, now, I apologize for this. Olivia Dean or Holly Humberston? [00:35:05] Speaker C: Olivia Dean. [00:35:06] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Okay. Boy genius or claro? [00:35:08] Speaker C: Boy genius. [00:35:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I thought you'd say that one. James or the Stone Roses? [00:35:12] Speaker C: James. [00:35:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. Guitar or piano? [00:35:15] Speaker C: Guitar. Because I'm currently learning it. [00:35:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I would thought you said piano. Only because obviously I watch your tits. Talk about how hard it is. [00:35:21] Speaker C: Oh, it's more rewarding. [00:35:24] Speaker A: More reward. As a piano player who has learned guitar later in life. It's definitely more rewarding, I think. [00:35:30] Speaker C: Yeah. And also, all my music is predominantly guitar. [00:35:33] Speaker B: It makes sense. You kind of have to learn it. [00:35:35] Speaker A: But that's probably. You've set yourself something to get to there, haven't you? But the fingers are not going to help. [00:35:42] Speaker C: The fingers are sensitive right now. [00:35:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I can imagine that. A small, intimate venue or arena festival, which you are qualified to answer. [00:35:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:53] Speaker A: Very different experiences. [00:35:55] Speaker C: Yeah. Small, intimate. But that doesn't mean to say that I wouldn't like to play the pyramid stage with my own music, of course. And I would not say no. [00:36:05] Speaker B: Speak it into existence until you're allowed to say no. [00:36:07] Speaker C: Manifesting. [00:36:08] Speaker A: Say it right. Vinyls or streaming vinyls. [00:36:13] Speaker C: Until you can pay me properly. [00:36:15] Speaker B: That's the right answer. That's the right answer. Tell them. [00:36:19] Speaker A: Tell them that one. Writing collaboratively or solo? [00:36:23] Speaker C: A year ago I would have said solo, but now I would say collaboratively. [00:36:26] Speaker A: Interesting. I thought you would. And finally, writing about personal experience or fictional? [00:36:31] Speaker C: Personal. I don't think I've. I've written one song about fictional experience. [00:36:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:36] Speaker C: And I've. I'm not going to play it anymore. [00:36:39] Speaker B: Hence why your friends telling you to. [00:36:41] Speaker C: Have it back I'm too. [00:36:43] Speaker B: The stories are. [00:36:44] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that's true. [00:36:45] Speaker C: I'm too rude. [00:36:45] Speaker A: I'm not fictional enough. [00:36:47] Speaker B: You're very much the same as well. [00:36:49] Speaker A: Oh, well, yeah, well, the thing is, we all sit here and say, like, it's. It sounds easy to someone without sounding really stupid, to someone who doesn't write music. It sounds really easy to, like, think of this perfect fucking story and write this song. But it's. It just. It doesn't come out, does it? [00:37:03] Speaker C: No, no. And I think you can tell. Really? Yeah, I mean, I think if you're really experienced songwriter and obviously there's only so much life experience that you have and you don't want to kind of cause chaos just for a song, even though I'm partial to that. But, like. So I guess there's an element of fabricating things and stuff. But I think you can. You can look at. It makes you look at your experiences in life in so many different angles. Yeah, yeah, that, like, I think it's sick. [00:37:30] Speaker A: I think you're right, though, because, like, with a more experienced writer, then being able to do that is where you tap into just actual skills and. [00:37:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:37] Speaker A: Like, almost like the checklist of, like, Ed Sheeran, for example. I'm not a massive Ed Sheeran fan, but I. Ed Sheeran is really good. And to be fair, quite what self admits that he's really good at just, like, distance himself from what he's doing. I'm just going, I know. Bullet point, bullet point, bullet point, bullet point. If I hit those three, it's gonna be a good song. And he's quite admitting about how he's written some shit that's done really well. [00:37:59] Speaker B: Just to prove he could do it one more. [00:38:01] Speaker A: Just like, as he write for other people, he just. I think you get that experience where you know what the. The ingredients are. [00:38:10] Speaker C: Well, yeah, he's obviously worked out. [00:38:11] Speaker A: Exactly. Whereas, like, me personally, I don't think I'm an amazing writer, but I think the stuff that comes out naturally is the only stuff that's any good. [00:38:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. [00:38:19] Speaker A: Do you know what I mean? [00:38:20] Speaker C: I agree. Yeah. I mean, like I said, I think it's easier to resonate when you know someone's being honest. [00:38:26] Speaker A: Yeah, true. [00:38:27] Speaker C: And, yeah, like, I've. Like I said, I've been writing with a lot of different people recently, and it's like strangers that you go into a room with and you've just. Crazy fucking bizarre. But I. You have to be very honest. And I don't have a problem being honest. I will tell everyone everything, which is a problem. But, like, they'll. I've found in a couple of situations, people will suggest lyrics, and I'm like, that doesn't. That I, like, I can't. It just can't use it because it doesn't resonate with me at all, especially as. [00:38:56] Speaker A: I mean, as I'm a producer, I find it really irritating to. I irritate myself when, like, you know, when, for example, I mean, I can't even think of a song lyric. But, like, if you. If you'd written this sentence. And I go, oh, well, maybe change the. It to, uh. As the producer, do, you know, sometimes I just want to be like, just. [00:39:11] Speaker C: Shut the fuck off. [00:39:13] Speaker A: Because I honestly, I will go to say it all the time as a producer. And I'm like, just, yeah, if they're struggling, they'll tell you. [00:39:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:19] Speaker A: I mean, like, don't. [00:39:20] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, let them do their job. It is actually difficult because, like, I've always written songs on my own, and my producer, Toby and I have started writing a lot together, and obviously, we know each other so well. He's, like, my best friend, so I feel very comfortable, of course. But some of the songs that we've written are, like, from very joint places. Like, we went through breakups at the same time. [00:39:41] Speaker A: Oh. So we can lean in a little bit. [00:39:42] Speaker C: So he. Yeah. And has done a lot, and I love that. But, like, it means that if I want to change a lyric, I have to go to him, be like, is it okay if I change this word? And I've had this with one of my songs? That will probably come out soon. [00:39:52] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:39:53] Speaker C: And he's been like, no, I don't want to change that. And I'll be like, well, I do. And so we're battling about at the moment, and I'm like, okay, well, when we play it live, I'll sing it differently and see what you think. And it's like, it's not as easy anymore. Whereas before, I can just sing what I want. [00:40:06] Speaker A: That's a good point. [00:40:07] Speaker C: My name's on it, so I'll have the final say. [00:40:09] Speaker B: Oh, you should stop. [00:40:11] Speaker A: Right, yeah. Ian singing the lyrics. No, no, it makes sense. Go on then, Liam, to get onto the next bit. [00:40:18] Speaker B: Yeah. So to get onto a guest, like I said, your TikTok and only doing it so well. And I think only because I'm such a stickler for the numbers negatively, so too much on all those things. [00:40:29] Speaker A: We're all becoming like that. [00:40:31] Speaker B: I think, like, I saw Sam speak about this not too long ago when he said that a modern artist, you have to be this social media expert and perfect extrovert and just the best at selling your short story, whatever, in such an impactful way to a stranger. I think you do it really well, I guess, for you. What would you say are some tips to other musicians or aspiring people to try and, you know, authentically? Because that's certainly the word that we will find. Looking for your stuff show off themselves without seeming like you're a product of Pippa crossland. Do you know what I mean? [00:41:05] Speaker C: I think what I was doing for ages that just wasn't working for me was looking at hashtags of things that I wanted to, like, you know, things that I was wanting to do and looking at everything else that was doing well and then replicating it. I know people do say that, do that a lot, and I think to an extent, you can make it fit for you, but I was doing it, and it was like I was doing the same at carbon copies all the time, and it just wasn't. You could just tell it was like a script every time. [00:41:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:31] Speaker C: And then it was someone who said to me, like, why aren't you posting about the gigs that you're doing for other people? And I was like, I think it's a weird crossover where I was like, I don't want people to see me as a backing vocalist because that's. I love it and I will continue to do it, but, like, that's not what I want people to know me. [00:41:47] Speaker A: For pinning that, because I'm going to ask you that later. [00:41:52] Speaker C: But, like, also, it is a really good way of showing people the things that you can do to be an artist because it's nothing. You'll know it's expensive. [00:42:01] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:42:02] Speaker C: And you've got to be able to fund it somehow. And I am lucky that I get to fund it in a really interesting way. And I feel like since I've been doing that content, it's just been so much more like, I feel like I can properly talk about, I can properly, like, explain who I am and what I do and, like, other parts of me. And so I feel like, I mean, I don't know, I'm quite an expressive person, and I think I was trying to not be as expressive to. Well, not consciously, but, like, I was trying to say things in a way that people would be able to digest easier. [00:42:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:33] Speaker A: Maybe thinking too much that way. [00:42:34] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely. Ever thinking it since I've been just, like, captioning and talking on TikToks how I actually talk, it's been. People have definitely responded to it better. [00:42:46] Speaker A: Definitely. [00:42:47] Speaker C: I mean, I'm no way near, like, I'm not, like, viral. My videos aren't doing exceptionally well, but, like, I've definitely seen a difference. [00:42:54] Speaker A: But that's one thing I think me and Liam wanted to say that. And I think looking from the outside, what's worked really well for you is whether you notice it or not. I mean, I know there's obviously a million other factors, but that's translating into your music fan base. I mean, like, your streams are doing really well with complete independent strategies and. [00:43:15] Speaker B: All that organic reach. [00:43:16] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. But there's something really special and rare, I'm going to say, of, like, these days, that actually working and translating because we can all put a couple of videos on TikTok, gain a bit of a following, but who's going to actually buy into what you're doing? I mean, we're really lucky some people are born into what we're doing here, and that's great, but it's so hard to do. And you can't put a hashtag in that's going to get people to buy. No, you being honest, people can buy into you. [00:43:44] Speaker C: Yeah. And I think it's so easy to kind of compress yourself, go get smaller and be really serious. And I am so unserious and, like, I've even just something, like, I've had a private story on, like, snapchat and Instagram for years and I, like, I vlog. Like, I'm a youtuber. Like, people are really interested in my life. [00:44:08] Speaker A: And to your twelve private friends. [00:44:10] Speaker C: Yeah, I've got, like, 40 on my private. And my friends love it. Like, I'm not, and I'm not. They, like, I get texts all the time, like, what are you doing today? I want to see. And I think using my TikTok more like that, like, just, like a little story is like, I find it fun and I think I'll start to do it. I enjoy just, like, chatting shit and over sharing. [00:44:33] Speaker A: It's such a good point. [00:44:34] Speaker C: Yeah. And I think that people like that. [00:44:37] Speaker B: It is. But people like to see other people win and do well. So I watched your one today when you were, like, running through town. Cause you'd heard that your face on a billboard couldn't work. [00:44:45] Speaker A: Oh. [00:44:46] Speaker B: And obviously going to see it is simple enough where you could have just taken a picture and gone, you know, really cool moment. But I think because you're taking us on a journey, we go, I'm buying into you as an individual. Someone who's excited about this, I think certainly speaks onto you as an independent artist as well. And obviously being able to make them decision yourself of what do I think works best for this person that I want to represent? And there was another one when you mentioned when you talk about Olivia D. Another artist that you're a big fan of. And you go, also, my name is Pippa Crossland. If you like this, this is the kind of stuff I do. So you're already painting a picture of people going, well, I love these artists, so obviously I'm going to check her out. [00:45:25] Speaker C: Well, also, I think because, like, a lot of the stuff I was doing before was just like, I'm Pippa Cross and this is my story. And, like, just giving it straight away. [00:45:32] Speaker A: We'Re all told to do that. [00:45:35] Speaker C: You're not just. You're not going to stop scrolling for that. I don't know why. [00:45:39] Speaker A: Ten times. [00:45:39] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. I'm an original independent artist. Like, yeah. So as everyone. We all are. So I think that's what I've found has worked, like, saying more interesting stuff that I actually would say. And then at the end being like, by the way, this is my name. [00:45:52] Speaker A: It's so interesting as well because I think, I mean, we had a similar conversation a while ago of, like, the TikTok experts and the analysts and blah, blah, blah will come out every couple of weeks when the algorithm changes and go, do this, do this, do this, do this. And then something they completely don't expect always trumps it all. And it's so funny in it, considering that, yeah, we're all. We're all got. We've all got terrible attention spans now. We all, like, decide in 2 seconds whether we're gonna watch it or not, and yet whether it's you, whether it's. I mean, obviously I know you, but, like, a total stranger can just say, like, storytime and start talking, and I just find myself watching it. [00:46:24] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:46:25] Speaker A: And I, who, behind a computer that's doing the starts, would think that us with our fried brain sons would actually listen to a five minute story? [00:46:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:32] Speaker A: And they do. [00:46:33] Speaker C: You just do all the time. [00:46:34] Speaker A: I mean, like, I've posted stuff that I only posted just to think, oh, fuck it, I'll tell a story, like, similar to what you were saying. And some of them have actually done well. [00:46:43] Speaker B: And I'm like, we. [00:46:44] Speaker A: Since when was that gonna do well? [00:46:46] Speaker B: It's the same on our own videos that we've done something like 150 tiktoks now and going like in five, six months only since January. So like crazy volume. And every video go. This I've put so much time into. Looks amazing. It's a polished artifact is getting no engagement, nothing. No one cares. And then it's every single one that takes me five minutes on the way out is I'm getting. My phone's blowing up with notifications. I think it's authenticity that really sells more than anything. [00:47:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:16] Speaker B: And I think anything that's too polished or too. If you said, hi, I'm Pippa Cross. And you've got a nice gorgeous light on you and a perfect backdrop and everything. I'm not interested in what you're saying. Do you know what I mean? [00:47:27] Speaker A: Everything's been because of. Well, I don't know, like to say the Internet sounds too like, general, but even just everything being a bit more accessible for people to make good content these days, whether it's a light, like you say, or a better phone or a better camera or whatever, because we're seeing that much of it. It's almost like now someone can have all the gear and no idea. It doesn't actually mean it's a better product. [00:47:48] Speaker C: No. [00:47:49] Speaker A: So now people are almost like the most perfect polished thing can be there and it doesn't catch people anymore. [00:47:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:54] Speaker A: It's not, it's nothing. The, this the one that stands out of your feed. It's not like you flick through nine amateurs and one good anymore. There's probably ten really good, like, piece of content. But like, which one of them is going to go that bit further and catch you or which one of them is actually very good, you know, and I think, I mean, all the experts will are starting to say authenticity. Authenticity. But like so much easier said than done. [00:48:15] Speaker C: It is. Yeah. [00:48:16] Speaker A: You know, of course. But like, I mean, papers does really well because you are very authentic and people can buy into that anyway. But if you said, I mean, I saw the best example the other day and I think we might have even brought this up on the pod before talking about this. But, like, someone nailed it when it was like Tom York, the singer from Radiohead. [00:48:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:48:31] Speaker A: Can you imagine if he had to, like, the song was something, write some of his songs and then release him and have to film himself talking. [00:48:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:39] Speaker A: Can you imagine? [00:48:41] Speaker C: It's just like, yeah. It's such a different thing we would have never heard. [00:48:46] Speaker A: And again, like musicians and creatives and artists, we are weirdos. Not all of us can do that. That doesn't mean that your product isn't fantastic. [00:48:54] Speaker C: Yeah. I think you've got to find a way that like genuinely works for you. Yeah, that's true. And it is just experimenting like you say, like just. I think with TikTok it's just like keeping doing it. [00:49:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:05] Speaker C: And then you find a rhythm with it. [00:49:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:07] Speaker C: And it's. Once you're in that rhythm it's like you can't guarantee but it. [00:49:10] Speaker A: Well, true, I think. I mean, Liam's probably going to say as well, but. Because we obviously, I mean, obviously I followed you, didn't talk for a while, but Liam seeing it quickly and then me going back, seeing it quickly, you can see quite black and white where. I mean, only now you're saying this as well, where it went from doing the stuff you think you were supposed to do. [00:49:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:28] Speaker A: To doing this newer stuff in the last few weeks. Months. [00:49:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:31] Speaker A: And it's like. Not that it's night and day, but it is, I think it is only when you. When you're flicking through it in ten minutes, it seems so obvious. [00:49:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:40] Speaker A: I mean it's like the ones that are attempting play or the ones that. Are you talking about something real. [00:49:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:46] Speaker A: It's like way more engaging anyway. Yeah, you've cracked your code, mate. [00:49:50] Speaker B: It's buying into an individual, which is, which I think is so much more. Even the best song I will ever hear. Or my favorite song of all time. [00:49:57] Speaker A: Sleep on it by people. [00:50:02] Speaker B: That's where I was going with this. But like my favorite song of all time, if it's on a tick tock and a two second video, I'm already off it. If it doesn't grab me. [00:50:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:50:10] Speaker B: Or doesn't have a Minecraft video underneath it or something stupid. Every video needs like a racing game or something stupid underneath it. [00:50:17] Speaker C: It's crazy that like, I actually think that that is mental. [00:50:21] Speaker B: It is. [00:50:24] Speaker A: Bad. [00:50:25] Speaker B: Did they do it? 1975. I saw that when he was talking he'd have like someone like making something out of wood on a. On a picture next to him or a clip from Minecraft. Joking. [00:50:34] Speaker A: Videos. The GTA videos. [00:50:36] Speaker C: That honestly is the wildest, very meta in it. Yeah. Hate. [00:50:41] Speaker B: Yeah. So I think we're now in an age where long form content is so valuable because it's so hard to get to where before you think about. And I can't remember who we're talking this way. I don't know if it was you with James last week. We talk about when you were kid, the way you listen to James. [00:50:57] Speaker C: James, my mate, James, your mate James. [00:50:59] Speaker B: When we listen to music, you would never. Because there was no single streaming you would only listen to on YouTube. So you would know music videos. Like the back you have. [00:51:06] Speaker A: True. [00:51:07] Speaker B: Like, that's where all your favorite artists. [00:51:09] Speaker A: I missed that. [00:51:10] Speaker B: You didn't know albums. You only knew their biggest songs because they were the only ones with music videos. [00:51:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:51:14] Speaker B: If it didn't have a music video, your favorite artist, you didn't know the songs. Yeah, because that's the way we consumed music when we were kids. Or certainly I did. [00:51:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:21] Speaker B: And then we. I think it's because we, obviously, Avril Lavigne and we were talking about, oh, I remember this video was nostalgic, weren't you? Very nostalgic. So that's the way it felt. Do you know what I mean? And now it's hard to get. [00:51:32] Speaker A: If you've done the picture, the skateboard video right now. [00:51:35] Speaker B: Yeah. The most incredible music video. How are you getting your audience to that video? Because I'm not making there on my own or finding it. And now that Karang died last week on tv, do you see that they made the last ever. Like, those music channels are just dying, where they play music all day, every day. [00:51:52] Speaker A: MTV died ages ago and. [00:51:53] Speaker B: Yeah, but that was the biggest thing that put so many artists on. Do you know what I mean? [00:51:59] Speaker A: Does it remember freshly squeezed? [00:52:00] Speaker B: That sounds very familiar. [00:52:02] Speaker A: It was channel four and it was what I'd watch before going to school. [00:52:07] Speaker C: I don't remember that. [00:52:08] Speaker A: I mean, how old are you? [00:52:10] Speaker C: 23? [00:52:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't. I feel like it'd be more older. I think it'd be more me to you, potentially. It was. [00:52:19] Speaker B: It was chuckle Vision. Just because you said to me, to. [00:52:21] Speaker C: You, is that also too young? [00:52:24] Speaker A: Did you get your new music off? Chuckle Vision? [00:52:26] Speaker C: Yeah. Suddenly enough. [00:52:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, because freshly squeezed was a music show and it was. It wasn't aimed to kids by any means, but, like, you know, when there was just shit tv on in the morning. [00:52:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:35] Speaker A: I could always watch everybody else, Raymond and Fraser and, like, shit like that. [00:52:38] Speaker C: Watch telling like that in the morning. My mum would just have, like, the news. [00:52:41] Speaker B: The news. [00:52:42] Speaker C: Isn't that shit? [00:52:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Actually watching, like, ducking down with the bungalow and you're watching being all mature. [00:52:47] Speaker A: From a simple age. [00:52:48] Speaker C: No, but then I would come home and it'd be like, deal or no deal? And I'd be like, get it? [00:52:52] Speaker B: Deal or no deal? [00:52:53] Speaker A: Or Neil, deal or no deal was like, every night religious, come home from school only because you'd flip the tv on 04:00 and 04:00 I'm watching Drake. [00:53:01] Speaker B: And Josh and 04:00. Soon as I get back. [00:53:03] Speaker C: Oh, no. I remember so vividly sitting at the kitchen table and the music because it. It got brought back recently. Steven Mulhern. Not as good. [00:53:11] Speaker A: I didn't know that. And you've just lifted my spirits and crushed him. [00:53:15] Speaker C: I know. I'm really sorry. [00:53:16] Speaker B: Want to come back? He's still alive. [00:53:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I know. I don't know if he's like, tiny bit canceled. [00:53:21] Speaker A: I won't be surprised. [00:53:22] Speaker C: But anyway, he's got a cancelled face. [00:53:25] Speaker A: You look at him and think you've said something bad about black people. [00:53:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:53:28] Speaker A: I can see on his face. [00:53:31] Speaker C: He. [00:53:32] Speaker A: Put stop the boats on his Twitter. At some point I'd even need to look at his Twitter to know it. So true. The haircut. [00:53:39] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, the haircut. He was on Amsterdam and it was like every moment. [00:53:42] Speaker B: Stephen O'Hearn's a good presenter, though. I like him in catchphrase. [00:53:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I like Stephen O'Hare. He's that kind of. He's so lucky that we all bought into him before media got less cringey. Potentially not as cringe as it used to be in the two thousands. [00:53:55] Speaker C: I think he's slimy. [00:53:57] Speaker A: I think he's cringey. [00:53:58] Speaker B: Have you met him before? So you've bumped yourself a lot of, like, you know, artists and. [00:54:03] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I haven't met him. But when I was like, 14 or 15, Britain's got Talent. Contact me. Contact me. Like they do everyone to go and fake as fuck. [00:54:13] Speaker B: Don't throw your own accomplishments down the drain of everyone. I don't think that's an everyone thing. [00:54:19] Speaker C: I'd put a video of me seeing, like, fucking hallelujah or something on YouTube. And they reached out. [00:54:24] Speaker A: My mom trying to get on the semifinals. [00:54:26] Speaker C: My mum was like, oh, my God, you have to do it. 14 year old me was like, no, that's so cringe. Which I. All credit to me. [00:54:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:33] Speaker C: But, yeah, I went to the, like, ITV officers and, oh, my God, it was crazy. Like, they made me sing and then they were like, okay. And basically we're like, what is your sob story? [00:54:44] Speaker A: Oh, I can fully believe it. [00:54:46] Speaker C: Difficulties in your life? 14 me was like, oh, my God, I can't even go. [00:54:50] Speaker A: I didn't have Sky TV. [00:54:51] Speaker C: No, honestly, I gave the most privileged answers. It was awful. [00:54:55] Speaker A: My mum won't let me watch Disney. [00:54:58] Speaker C: Yeah. But he was, like, working at those offices, so I almost met him. [00:55:01] Speaker B: Interesting. Your story wasn't good. Your story wasn't sad enough. I know that's what it was. I know you used to be like, kick false. [00:55:07] Speaker A: The folks got a sad story. [00:55:08] Speaker C: Do you know what I mean? [00:55:08] Speaker A: That was such a stupid thing to say. So many people. [00:55:11] Speaker B: You had such a privileged life. [00:55:13] Speaker A: I was more thinking, like, you haven't lived yet. [00:55:15] Speaker B: No, it's very early. [00:55:16] Speaker A: Yeah, but still, I mean, Christ, I would have caved at 14. I would have had no story. No, I fucking would have had. [00:55:23] Speaker B: Great. You should go on. Good singers. Well, you'll get right through to the end with a good story. [00:55:28] Speaker C: Do you get that all the time? [00:55:30] Speaker A: Every family member. [00:55:31] Speaker C: You should go on. Why don't you? Why are you. [00:55:32] Speaker B: Just let me be me. [00:55:34] Speaker A: It's something about uncles in there. It's like, oh, I saw this person, but you need to just go on it. [00:55:39] Speaker B: I think to them, though, in their day, that was the way to make it before. [00:55:42] Speaker A: True. [00:55:43] Speaker B: There'll be people in your family who will see you've got 20,000 likes on your TikTok. You're closing in at and go, well, she's not Britain's got Talent, though, is she? She's not X Factor. Like, that carries the way it used to do when, you know, in the two thousands, when every man and his dog was watching. Do you know what I mean? So it's different now, the book. [00:56:00] Speaker A: Paul Potts couldn't win BGT anymore. It's not that world anymore. [00:56:04] Speaker B: I still remember that, like, people like, doja cat got big from TikTok. Yeah, I remember she was blown up on TikTok, and now she's the biggest artist, literally. And it's only because of places like TikTok that are just pushing people's music. [00:56:15] Speaker A: So here's a real question for you, then, because on that note, and it might semi help me segue into the next bit, but do you have, like, especially now you're doing some really cool shit on your side hustle? Do you get family members being like, oh, well, you know, you'll actually make it, though, one day. And, like, not as if not in a dickhead way, because they don't and mine don't, but, like, almost not understanding that where you are now is quite successful in its own right. [00:56:41] Speaker C: No, I think I'm lucky that my family, they really back it. [00:56:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:48] Speaker C: And they see. They see how that can help me. But I have. They have. I have had comments before from family and extend family and friends and whatever. Like, oh, you know, if you. If it. If you're not famous in a year, are you gonna like, yeah, that's kind. [00:57:04] Speaker A: Of what I meant. Really? Yeah. That's a better way of putting it. [00:57:06] Speaker C: Yeah. Which, like, I actually understand. And in my family, like, I'm the only freelancer. I'm the only person who kind of wings it. [00:57:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:15] Speaker C: And I think that people really struggle with that, which I understand. [00:57:18] Speaker A: It's alien to many people. [00:57:20] Speaker C: Like, my big sister is. And no shade to her. She's so successful. She's an accountant. She's doing really well. She's living in London. She's thriving. She's slaying, truly. And I completely get why she looks at me and she's like, fucking hell. Like, how do you not know how you're going to earn your money, like, from one week to the next? So I do get it. But I think, yeah, no, on the whole, it's a bit of an old. [00:57:42] Speaker A: Fashioned thing, I guess, isn't it? [00:57:43] Speaker C: Like, I think so. And I think it's just like, when you're so used to one thing. [00:57:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:47] Speaker C: Like, I just the same as. I cannot imagine going to sit in an office every day and, yeah, my idea of hell, like, going. [00:57:55] Speaker A: She's probably thinking the same thing. [00:57:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:57] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Not knowing where my next paychecks, I couldn't imagine. [00:58:00] Speaker C: There's pros and cons to everything. I'm, you know, my work has taken me really cool places. Respectfully, I don't care. [00:58:08] Speaker A: And I literally always say I'm, like, fucking out. If I still. If I'm struggling at 30, then have a chat with me again. [00:58:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:14] Speaker A: I mean, like, while I can, I will. [00:58:16] Speaker C: I'm 23. [00:58:18] Speaker B: So much time. [00:58:18] Speaker C: Do you know what I mean? This is what I was thinking when I, like, made a big life change and moved to London. Because I was like, if I don't like it, guys, it's not the end of the world. I can come back. [00:58:28] Speaker A: It's not that bad. [00:58:29] Speaker C: It's not that deep. And that's, like, quite unlike me to wing it that much. But, like, yesterday when I was at this festival, I was sat with the drummer and two of the other Buckingbird quests, and we were, like, eating ice cream from catering. The drummer was like, isn't this fucking crazy? This is our job. That's mental. And I was like, God, yeah, it's crazy. [00:58:48] Speaker A: Post lockdown, we've all had a bit of a, like, reaffirmation of shit. This is. We're lucky. [00:58:54] Speaker C: I'm so lucky. [00:58:55] Speaker A: Cause I even found myself playing pug gigs and thinking, this is still pretty good. [00:58:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:59] Speaker A: But I would have killed for this. [00:59:00] Speaker B: Over Covid not to derail your segway at all. You can find it again. When it's all about that, though, that I think success is still such an enormous spectrum. You think about loads of your favorite artists or loads of my favorite artists could walk down Market street and no one would clock who they are. But, yeah, they're making an enormous living on their music and do what they love, but they're not a household name, but they don't need, because they're still absolutely killing it. [00:59:26] Speaker C: So relative. And, like, yeah, I don't know. I would like me ten years ago or whatever. Like, I'm not gonna lie. I had a very privileged upbringing, and I was always of the notion that, like, I'm gonna go and get a really successful job, and I'm gonna climb the ladder and I'm gonna buy a house and I'm gonna x, y, and z. [00:59:45] Speaker A: That's the generational side. [00:59:47] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, within my. You know, how I grew up. That's just what I thought for such a long time. Like, even when I was 18, I was. I have to go to uni. It's not an option. [00:59:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:57] Speaker C: And luckily, I obviously went to a uni that allowed me all of these opportunities. But, like, I'm so. I had a moment of it when I finished uni, and I was like, okay, well, now I need to step into my career. And my mum was like, you don't realize that you're kind of already doing your career. Like, you've been working as a session player for two years. I was like, yeah, you've got a point. [01:00:16] Speaker A: Yeah, but that segues into which. Not what I was going to talk about. But when you talk about feeling like an imposter before, that is the most relatable thing as an artist, isn't it? The imposter syndrome. I know there's a million videos out there of people talking about it, but it affects literally every person who creates anything of imposter syndrome. [01:00:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:00:33] Speaker A: Because, I mean, fourth year of R and T M, for example, our fourth year of our degree is basically going and doing it for real. And I think it's the best thing. [01:00:41] Speaker C: I agree. [01:00:42] Speaker A: Especially a creative degree could possibly do. [01:00:45] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. [01:00:46] Speaker A: That safety net of I was the same. It was basically just doing what I do now. Yeah, but with a student loan. [01:00:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:00:52] Speaker A: And I couldn't have gone into real life without that. I completely agree. Forget the fact that Covid derailed it all. Still, I couldn't have gone into that at all because it getting up at working still stupid late, doing writing sessions as a producer in fourth year and then waking up stupid late. And that being okay. Yeah, I would have stepped out of university otherwise and gone, shit, where do I start? Where do I start? But you're right. I mean, by fourth, by finishing RNTM, you've done umpteen gigs, thousands played for bear artist, made loads of connections. It is simple as that. [01:01:29] Speaker C: I must say, though, without sounding like the most unrelatable person ever, I still do. Like, I was on that tour, on my laptop, in my bunk, on the tour bus, looking for work for when I got back and having, like, full on panic attacks. I am going to be so poor. [01:01:46] Speaker A: When I go back 100%. [01:01:47] Speaker C: And so it's like, that's what I find really difficult about it. But that is just part and parcel. [01:01:54] Speaker A: I think that's the perfect segue. Oh, I keep doing the. [01:01:58] Speaker B: You do this, like, every episode. [01:01:59] Speaker A: I keep going to do that. [01:02:01] Speaker B: He does it every episode. He's trying to tire and eliminate ourselves. [01:02:07] Speaker A: Because what I was going to say was, I found I want to talk about balance, really, the balance of that lifestyle. But that's a good way of saying it because, for example, I feel very grateful that my dad was a plumber. So he was always self employed. So I was a bit used to my dad being. Working relentlessly and then him just being around for three days because he didn't have any work and then him just being, like, just not working. I'm just not working. And him stressing and then. Phone ringing bang. There's a week's work. And, like, even though my dad stopped working for illness when I was 19, I'd obviously just seen enough of that. So now I'm completely different, but also self employed and not knowing where the next paycheck is, it's. It's fucking stressful. It's the most stressful thing about our job by far. [01:02:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:02:51] Speaker B: Makes sense. [01:02:51] Speaker A: And it's so typical because the. By the what? I'm eventually going to get onto the balance part of it is that when it's going well, it's like, this is sweet. [01:02:58] Speaker B: Top of the world. [01:02:59] Speaker C: Oh, my God. Yeah. [01:03:00] Speaker A: And. But it's so, like, what's the word? [01:03:02] Speaker B: Like, fickle. [01:03:03] Speaker A: Fickle is a good word, actually. A good point because it's like, it could go like that. Yeah, like that. [01:03:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:03:07] Speaker A: I mean, silly, silly, silly point. But I've got. I've got a bad knee. I need knee surgery. Do you know how scared I am to take three months off of being like, well, it won't be three months, but being incapable of moving and like, not being able to gig and because they can. Someone said to me the other day, oh, you still gig. Someone will carry gear. No, I do solo gigs as well. It's being like a book horse, donkey carrying all your shit. [01:03:28] Speaker C: Terrifying. [01:03:29] Speaker A: And that could be, I mean, we were talking about, I went to Isle of Wight and I went on a stag do. So that's two weekends in a row it's ruined me. I mean, two weekends off has ruined me. And that balance is just. We'll never get it right. No, but how are you finding the balance of, especially as you've been so successful at pushing your original music. [01:03:46] Speaker C: Thank you. [01:03:47] Speaker A: While also really smashing it on your side hustle of like your session stuff that. Because the other reason I'm asking is because a lot of people watching that are interested in music. I mean, as you'll found with people asking so many questions about your side hustle stuff, like they just can't grasp that we do like twelve fucking jobs, like to get to make enough money to pay for one. [01:04:05] Speaker C: Do you know what I mean? [01:04:06] Speaker A: I mean, I can say stuff to liam all the time of like, like, I could do nothing for a week and then I could get one really well paid gig and he's like, nice. I'm like, well, I try and see it as my week's wage then. I mean, like, all the stuff I've done for free is basically like, yeah, you know, so how do you find that? [01:04:21] Speaker C: I really find it hard when I'm not doing something. [01:04:25] Speaker A: Oh my God. Yeah. [01:04:26] Speaker C: And if I have a day where I'm not doing anything, I mean, I have like bad anxiety anyway. My anxiety goes crazy. I think I was so terrified to move to London because I was like, obviously it's so much more difficult to get work there. Yeah, it's fucking huge. Everyone wants to do it. [01:04:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:44] Speaker C: No one goes to fuck if you're a singer. And so I was really scared and I have had a lot of days where I've been sitting doing nothing and I hate myself for it eats away. But, like, we don't have weekends. [01:04:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:58] Speaker C: So, like, you have to have those, you have to put them somewhere. [01:05:01] Speaker A: And I judge you for sitting there at Tuesday at 01:00 p.m. and I. [01:05:06] Speaker C: Feel so infuriates me. [01:05:08] Speaker A: Don't get me wrong, no one I am actually friends with judges me for that. [01:05:10] Speaker C: Yeah, no one will. [01:05:12] Speaker A: But it's got family members going, what are you doing waking up at eleven? Yeah, well, fucking work till three. [01:05:17] Speaker C: I have obviously been. Yeah. Working really late. Yes, I'm a singer and I will go to sleep. There were some nights on tour where I was going to sleep at, like, four. Cause the bus wouldn't leave till four. [01:05:30] Speaker A: Totally. [01:05:30] Speaker C: And I would set my alarm for eight every day. Cause I was like, I can't wake up late. Cause then I'm just wasted the day. And by the end of the tour, you should've seen my face. I was like a dead woman. And I just couldn't accept that, like, waking up late was okay. And it's like, when you say about my family, it's my family who say to me, like, you need to sleep and you need to actually just realign and stuff. Cause I think I'm such a comparer and I don't. [01:05:57] Speaker A: Oh, we all are as artists. [01:05:58] Speaker C: Yeah. And I just compare myself to, like, I see my sisters as so successful because they are, but if I'm not, if I'm slightly different to them, I'm like, well, I'm not successful anymore. [01:06:11] Speaker A: Is that a tough thing about being the younger sibling as well? Because I'm the older? So I couldn't. I almost feel sympathetic for my sister. My sister. [01:06:19] Speaker C: I am a chronic third child. Like, I am the definition. I am the definition of the got. [01:06:26] Speaker A: Chronic third child syndrome. [01:06:27] Speaker C: No, I have. People used to take the piss out of me all the time for it, but anything they do, like, even when I broke up with my boyfriend, I said to my sister, who also broke up with her boyfriend at 22 or 23, I was like, how long did it take you to find a new boyfriend? And she was like, why is that relevant? And I was like, because if I surpassed that, I failed. And she was like, that is fucking psychopathic. Even my best mate, Toby, I had the same thing where I was like, like, fuck. He's been on date before me. Like, I failed. [01:06:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:58] Speaker C: Like, that is actually so psychopathic. So this job is, like, not great for me, but same here. [01:07:04] Speaker B: But being the youngest also, I assume you get away with everything and anything anyway. And also your parents are way easier than on you than any of your other siblings. [01:07:13] Speaker A: Learning from them is okay. [01:07:14] Speaker C: Yeah. I am the favorite. [01:07:15] Speaker A: Yeah, there you go. [01:07:18] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, I get. [01:07:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:20] Speaker A: I mean, yeah, that. Because that's an age old question. The balancing in it with musicians. Because no one's got the right answer and nobody does it right. [01:07:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:28] Speaker A: And I genuinely think if we sat just in Timberlake down here now, he'd be like, I'm struggling to juggle all these plays. [01:07:33] Speaker B: Yeah, makes sense. [01:07:34] Speaker C: Yeah. I was gonna say. [01:07:40] Speaker A: I can't balance all these things without a couple of bevs down. [01:07:42] Speaker B: Yeah, that makes sense. [01:07:43] Speaker A: Such a strange thing. But did you see the cop who arrested him? Didn't know who he was. [01:07:47] Speaker C: Shut up. [01:07:48] Speaker A: The police officer was 21. [01:07:50] Speaker C: He didn't really look like him. [01:07:51] Speaker A: No. And apparently he didn't recognize he was. And on the body cam footage, Justin Timberlake goes. Puts his head on the wheel and goes, what about the tour? [01:07:58] Speaker C: Oh, no, I've seen that. What about the tour? [01:08:01] Speaker A: The cop's like, what? Tore? And he goes, the world tour. The world tour? [01:08:04] Speaker B: That is really sad. [01:08:05] Speaker C: What about the tour? That is iconic. Iconic, but yeah. No, to answer your question, have a balance. Yeah, I'm still working on that. [01:08:15] Speaker A: Sorry to have almost stitched up, because I know everyone's answer is going to be, I don't have a balance, but more just because people are buying into your ability and to be smashing it in both ways. And it's obviously also important to know that, like, in social media, we're seeing everyone's highlights. No one's filming the bit where we're struggling with it. Like, yeah, I don't nobody. I don't vlog. The bit where I sit up in bed when I wake up at 01:00 on a Sunday because I work late on Saturday doing a bar gig. [01:08:39] Speaker C: Exactly. [01:08:40] Speaker A: And I'm knackered. [01:08:40] Speaker C: Like, as much as this, like, I. [01:08:43] Speaker A: Don'T film that bit from. [01:08:44] Speaker C: From my. I mean, it's the typical response, but, like, from my Instagram and my TikTok and all my socials, it would look like I've had the best year of my life. Whereas it's never that simple. It's not that simple. Yeah, no, and I would say that the last couple of months have probably been the most turbulent. [01:09:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:09:01] Speaker C: And it's like, I'm really glad big. [01:09:02] Speaker A: Life changes, isn't it? [01:09:04] Speaker C: So big. And I think I actually do believe that you're not going to get anywhere if you don't have the big life changes. And I've made some decisions that, like, I know will benefit me, but in the moment, they're really hard and. But I. I think I'm just the kind of person that I'm like, if I'm not doing everything, then I'm like, I won't win. And I'm. I am so not to, like, blow smoke on my own ass, but I am so driven and I, like, I think it makes me, like, convulse the thought of nothing being able to do. Like, when my sister's like, are you gonna give up in a year? I'm like, the thought of giving up makes me so sad that, like, I will just run myself into the ground. [01:09:40] Speaker B: That makes so much sense. Just because obviously today when you were talking about people that were trying to get session work or people that were trying to get Bv work, whatever, and you were like, be annoying. Yeah, you need to be annoying. [01:09:51] Speaker C: I'm so annoying. [01:09:52] Speaker B: You have to be there. [01:09:53] Speaker A: What's your phrase, mate? [01:09:54] Speaker B: My phrase always has been that closed mouths don't get fed. Such a believer of that, that if you don't open your mouth and just say, or ask and just say, can I do this? Do you need some for that? And you told a story on your TikTok about someone that needed BV's last minute only because you'd had a connection. I can't remember what it was, but it was a last minute thing, but only because you'd first said or asked. And all this stuff that has, like, domino effect after it all, to you, being with James or being at Glastonbury is just because you just opened your mouth and just said, this is what I want to do. [01:10:26] Speaker C: There's nowhere that, like, in my, in my instance, there's no way you can learn to be a backing singer or you can, but you, that's the kind of thing that you just learn on job. And so you've got to be the kind of person that's, that's open to being like, well, I'm going to do it. Have. Having no experience, but I promise that I'll do it. And that's what I did. Yeah, and, yeah, you've. I really struggled with that for a while and I hate the idea of networking and I hate being like, I'm really good at this. [01:10:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:53] Speaker C: But I have got really good at it and I will just be like, like, I'm really good at that. [01:10:58] Speaker A: Good, yeah. [01:10:59] Speaker C: And I will help you. [01:11:00] Speaker A: It's funny, innit? Because considering the way that creatives have to get their work is by self advertising them and doing it for free for a while. Doing it for free. And the thing we hate doing is telling people how good we are and. [01:11:12] Speaker B: Doing things for free because we can't afford to. [01:11:15] Speaker C: I actually do think I found with, I don't know if you feel the same, but as time's gone on, I'm much more confident now with being like, yeah, I'm a professional musician, I'm really good. Yeah, yeah, you should because I, like. [01:11:27] Speaker A: But then we go back to success because. And you nailed it with the spectrum thing, because, like, I'm. I'm very lucky personally, that, like, my mum, for example, always is very kind about how success is happiness. [01:11:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:39] Speaker A: To her. And that's. That's come right through to me and my sister. [01:11:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:43] Speaker A: I'm really happy with that. I was really lucky. Sorry that I've got that. But, like, for example, my dad, when he was around, was always very, very, very supportive, but was the hard one. [01:11:53] Speaker C: Was he? [01:11:53] Speaker A: But, like, that was. It was pushing me. It wasn't like being a dick. Like, I look back now and laugh because only times I ever fell out with my dad was when he was trying to push me to be better and work harder and do things like this. And now I sit here and think when I did the same as you, and when I'm sat still and thinking I'm not doing enough, when I probably actually am, that's just because my dad was like, you need to be doing more. You need to be doing more. You need to be doing more. And someone said to me on tour, they. I can't remember on tour, the other. I think it was Nathan Carroll. You know Nathan Carroll? [01:12:19] Speaker C: Yeah, I love Nathan. [01:12:20] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He was telling me, oh, shout out porridge. [01:12:23] Speaker C: Shout out porridge. [01:12:24] Speaker A: Yeah. He was telling me that, like, he asked me about it, and it was the first time I'd said it out loud where I thought, oh, that's. That's exactly why I'm like that. [01:12:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:12:34] Speaker A: Because, like, I would sit. I'd get in my dad's van on the way to college. He dropped me off the train station, like, 06:00 a.m. i, and he'd have a clipboard on his fucking wheel. I'd be like, have you done this? Have you done this? Have you done this? [01:12:45] Speaker C: Have you done this? I love that. [01:12:46] Speaker A: And he wasn't. It sounds like a wanker. He wasn't. [01:12:47] Speaker C: No. And I'd be like, I think that's great, dad. [01:12:50] Speaker A: It's 06:10 no, I haven't fucking. Please. And you know what I mean? And it's the same reason now where if I sit back, just like you should do, if you don't already, it sounds like you do, because you said it, and go, I'm gone this week alone. I've done this, this and this, but because I haven't done a nine to five, it doesn't feel like. Doesn't feel like it at all, but we have. And I think being, for example, like, the reason I asked about family before as well is cause I've got a family member, for example, who's so supportive, to be fair. But whenever I tell him what I've done, he asks how it's going. Whenever I tell him something good, he's like, great. That's going. So, God, you just need one person to just take. To just take notice of that, and then you'll really get it. You'll make it. I'm out here and I'm like, yo, I'm surviving off doing music. I'm sweet. [01:13:37] Speaker C: I'm happy with that. Scared to post about Glastonbury because I was like, people will be like, oh, but it's not your music. [01:13:44] Speaker B: Oh, were people like that, though? [01:13:46] Speaker C: Um, bitter people to my face. [01:13:49] Speaker A: But, like, that's an old fashioned family thing, though, isn't it? Yeah, maybe they did. [01:13:53] Speaker C: I think that people framed it in a positive way, like my mom. [01:13:56] Speaker A: You control that narrative really well, though. [01:13:58] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, I'm so lucky that if I never get to play those festivals or those stages with my own music, like, I was stood behind stage at Glastonbury and I was like, pippa, you are playing Glastonbury right now. You are on stage. Like, you need to take it in. And I was the same in all the arenas and stuff. [01:14:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:16] Speaker C: So that I'm like, if I never get to do that again, at least I have done it. [01:14:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:20] Speaker C: But also, it's like, having seen it, I mean, I'm. I don't want to get, like, spiritual, whatever, because I'm actually not that much of a spiritual person. But I, in lockdown, I really was. I really got into it, and I really feel like you've got to be able to visualize it to a better way and. What better way? Like, I've been on that stage, so I know how it feels. So now I'm like, oh, my God, I am not stopping until I'm doing that. [01:14:44] Speaker A: Fantastic point because that's so good. Because, like, for example, a weird example, actually. But, you know, the whole Tyson fury thing of his comeback when it. With his mental health and stuff, where he was, like, from birth, he's called Tyson. After my Tyson, from birth, his path was, to him, heavyweight champion in the world. And he hit it and was like, what now? What now? [01:15:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:04] Speaker A: Whereas, like. And then obviously, when he fell off, because he knew that was it, it could help him get back up. [01:15:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:15:10] Speaker A: You know, that's such a good point that, like, if I could grace those stages, do all the things I want to do with my own stuff, like, you've done with, like, supporting other artists. Does it. Does it help you see and feel, like. Because you know how that felt? That's the feeling I want to get to. Again, I chase nothing and I'm like, it can get a bit lost. [01:15:28] Speaker C: Can you? But if I felt that buzzing after singing fucking ooze and R's or a Manchester rock band, imagine the feeling I'll get when I'm singing the songs. [01:15:41] Speaker B: For sure. [01:15:41] Speaker A: Very true. [01:15:42] Speaker C: Like, I know it sounds very preachy, but no. So I literally came off stage and I was like, right, I'm in the studio this week. [01:15:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:15:47] Speaker C: And I'm going. And Toby has to clear his fucking schedule. [01:15:52] Speaker A: It's mega inspiring stuff, though, isn't it? [01:15:54] Speaker C: Yeah, it's, like, mental. There's nothing like it. [01:15:57] Speaker A: Fucking crazy. I mean, I had another question, but I don't know how we're doing for time. What we're doing for time, but go on. I was going to ask you this before, so. But we'll use it to conclude. [01:16:08] Speaker B: Yeah, so. [01:16:08] Speaker A: And I guess actually, maybe semi does go on for a segue. But who is your. I'm gonna go for three because I know what your number one is gonna be. So just to get two more. So if you could get a support slot next as an original artist, who would be the three artists that you would dream of supporting? Like, who would do the best for your career? Or who would, like. Who would share similar fans? You know, like, not just like, oh, I'd love to support Bruno Mars because he's sick. [01:16:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:16:33] Speaker A: I mean, like, who would. [01:16:34] Speaker C: Yeah, okay. Olivia Dean. [01:16:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:36] Speaker A: I thought. [01:16:37] Speaker C: I feel like I really don't need to go anymore. [01:16:39] Speaker A: Do you like Olivia Dean? [01:16:41] Speaker C: Well, I. Have you seen all the, like, british summertime games at Hyde Park? I had never even thought about this, but Stevie Nicks played it this year, and I was like, I did not know that. [01:16:56] Speaker A: That's amazing. [01:16:56] Speaker C: Yeah. I think it's, like, this week or something. It's, like, soon. [01:17:00] Speaker A: That makes sense now. I kept seeing Hyde park and I didn't know what it was. [01:17:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I know. [01:17:04] Speaker A: Hyde park is doing what the gig was. [01:17:05] Speaker C: That was. I was a bit like, Stevie Nicks is like, Fleetwood Mac was insane, wouldn't it? Yeah. [01:17:10] Speaker A: Cool. [01:17:11] Speaker C: Like, my mum was obsessed with Fleetwood Mac when I was growing up, and still is, but, like, that. I remember being like, oh, if only I. Like, that would have been a pinnacle of everything. [01:17:24] Speaker A: Such a diverse crowd as well in it, as in what people are into. [01:17:27] Speaker C: And I also just think the way that they do that gig, I don't know if you know much about it, but, like, they have obviously, the big main stage and it's kind of like a mini festival in Hyde park. [01:17:34] Speaker A: Is it like park live that they have mother stages? [01:17:36] Speaker C: Yeah, they have other tiny stages, but they're all classed as support for the main act. [01:17:41] Speaker A: Is this the one that Bonnie did? [01:17:43] Speaker C: Bonnie did Fodell, yeah. [01:17:44] Speaker A: Okay. [01:17:44] Speaker C: And that's support for. I mean, they have crazy. And I know someone who supported Robbie Williams there. [01:17:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:51] Speaker C: Shania Twain, like, all this year. But doing that would be, I would find really cool because it's like you're playing a small, intimate gig, but also you're in Hyde park and you're about to go crazy. Yeah. So, yeah, that would have been cool. And I think Olivia Dean would be like the fullest circle. [01:18:14] Speaker A: Yeah, of course. [01:18:16] Speaker C: I can't think of anyone else. I'm gonna think of someone, like, on my way home and. But I think, I mean, boy genius or. [01:18:29] Speaker B: Yeah, that'd be cool. [01:18:30] Speaker A: We had a hilarious chat, like, months ago now about how Liam, and to. [01:18:34] Speaker B: Be fair, looks so similar. [01:18:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Was it. Was it Claro. No, it was Stephen. [01:18:40] Speaker B: Claire. Oh, no, it's Phoebe Bridges. And you made me forget her name. Now. What's she called? It's a blonde woman. That exact look. They look the exact same. [01:18:49] Speaker A: Not him. [01:18:50] Speaker B: No, it's not. It's. [01:18:52] Speaker C: She's solo artist. [01:18:53] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a solo artist. A bit more like electronic pop kind of style. What is the name? And I forget what it was, though. [01:18:59] Speaker A: That you even said. I thought. [01:19:00] Speaker B: You thought men I trust. It was men I trust who I thought was in boy genius because I. [01:19:06] Speaker C: Thought she was Phoebe Bridges, not Phoebe. [01:19:08] Speaker B: Bridge, because I knew she was a separate artist, but I thought that was her. And then I was so confused when I was watching SNL and boy genius rod, and you should introduce yourself. I was like, I just met this, like, eureka moment. They're two different people. Targaryen blond hair. And I just thought they were the same person for so long because he looks so similar to me. And now they don't look similar at all. [01:19:32] Speaker C: Also Billie Eilish. [01:19:35] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, of course. [01:19:36] Speaker C: But I just think that's because I'd be like, fuck, you're Billie Eilish. [01:19:40] Speaker B: That'd be great. [01:19:40] Speaker C: You're so fucking cool. [01:19:41] Speaker A: Yeah, that'd be cool. There's something about, I think if you could drop any of us in a support slot for Billy Eilish, her fans are just another level of fans, aren't they? [01:19:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:19:50] Speaker A: And if a fandom like that buys onto you. [01:19:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:54] Speaker C: I think that she's got so many, like, strings to her. [01:19:58] Speaker A: She's definitely good. [01:19:59] Speaker C: Like, she's got, I think she's got music for everyone. Really. [01:20:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree with that. [01:20:04] Speaker C: So I feel like I've just written, it's just because I've just written a song that was inspired by happier than ever. [01:20:11] Speaker A: All right. [01:20:12] Speaker C: And after that, I was like, actually, I don't think I'm too out of that lane. But also there could be a completely, like, an artist completely different to me. [01:20:19] Speaker A: She's got plenty of lanes be in. [01:20:21] Speaker C: Her lane, of course. So I feel like that would be a good one. [01:20:25] Speaker A: I even saw a clip of her literally last night doing some intimate gig for just fans. And she was talking about the fact that people forget that she had mosh pits at her show. She could still do that kind of emo rocky, a bit more heavy stuff because we all just think of her as almost jazz pop, but the most. [01:20:41] Speaker B: Accomplished in, what, two oscars now for best song. Ridiculous. [01:20:45] Speaker C: Yeah, she's really cool and she's broken the game. [01:20:48] Speaker B: She's. She'd be the youngest person in this room. She was a. Yeah, she's ridiculous. [01:20:52] Speaker C: No, I think she's older than me. [01:20:54] Speaker A: Oh, is she? [01:20:54] Speaker B: She was 22. [01:20:58] Speaker A: That was a moment that you just realized. [01:20:59] Speaker B: It'll be on the screen right now for Crimson. [01:21:02] Speaker C: I'm born in May, and I think she's born in the October before. [01:21:05] Speaker B: Oh, is she? [01:21:06] Speaker C: I mean, it's crazy either way, though. [01:21:09] Speaker B: It's still, we still arguably, like 24. [01:21:11] Speaker A: On the 25 may, actually. [01:21:13] Speaker C: I don't know why, but she's really giving October at my house. I I could have completely made that up. [01:21:18] Speaker A: Well, if we'd splinter. [01:21:20] Speaker B: If you had Splinter, Ray, could I. [01:21:22] Speaker A: Really want her birthday now? You could go on Billy Ayesha's birthday just for, just for fun sake, because I really want knowing her. And if it's the 25 may, I'm psychic. [01:21:28] Speaker B: It's definitely not 25th. [01:21:30] Speaker C: And now I'm questioning whether it's maybe. [01:21:34] Speaker A: A bit slower December. [01:21:38] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, that makes sense. 2001 Fox. She is younger than me. [01:21:45] Speaker A: That's so gross. [01:21:47] Speaker C: She's only younger than me by, like. [01:21:48] Speaker A: Six months, but, okay, yeah, you can say that. I still look her and think she's 17. [01:21:53] Speaker B: Like, yeah, but she's also been around for a while still. Since she was, like, 14, she stopped doing those. [01:21:59] Speaker A: What was it? [01:22:00] Speaker B: Oh, the interviews. I watch them every year. She stopped doing something she's doing after the first one. [01:22:06] Speaker A: She's like fucking 16. [01:22:07] Speaker B: Yeah, she is. [01:22:08] Speaker A: Oh, that's just gross. [01:22:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Ridiculous, love. I was just gonna say to close out. [01:22:12] Speaker C: Yes. [01:22:13] Speaker B: Where can people find you next? Where can they go to to see your music? What's your new single? What's the song of the summer? [01:22:20] Speaker A: What do you want to push next? [01:22:21] Speaker B: What are you pushing? [01:22:24] Speaker C: Well, I'm pushing my TikTok because that's where it's all going down. [01:22:28] Speaker B: Handles on the screen. [01:22:29] Speaker C: Yeah. I am in a really fun place right now where I'm just making loads of things sick, and I don't know when it'll be coming out, but I would say within this year. And it's genuinely some of the best. No, sorry. Some of my best. [01:22:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:22:49] Speaker C: And some of my favorite music ever. Some of my favorite songs. I'm so, like, chronically proud of them, and I listen to them all the time, and there's gonna be all the bells and whistles, and I'm so excited. [01:23:02] Speaker A: Well, you've come into the end of your last year of Pippa crosses. [01:23:07] Speaker C: Yeah. There's a new era. [01:23:08] Speaker A: Yeah. And that was a fantastic start. You know what I mean? So if you ask. Yeah, stick around. [01:23:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:23:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:14] Speaker C: Thank you so much. [01:23:15] Speaker A: I mean, thank you so much for coming. [01:23:18] Speaker B: It was a lot of fun. [01:23:19] Speaker A: We've got two insane performances coming up. [01:23:22] Speaker B: Certainly do. [01:23:22] Speaker A: And I'm not saying that because I'm joining her. [01:23:24] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Collab. [01:23:25] Speaker A: Hell, yeah. But, yeah. Thank you so much for coming on. [01:23:28] Speaker C: Thank you. [01:23:28] Speaker A: This has been amazing. We've laughed, we've cried, we've loved, we've lived. Blood, sweat, and tears have gone into this. [01:23:35] Speaker B: Certainly has. [01:23:36] Speaker A: Thank you so much, everybody. [01:23:38] Speaker B: We'll see you on the next one. [01:23:39] Speaker A: Thank you. Good night. [01:23:40] Speaker C: Bye. Welcome to the deal.