Episode Transcript
[00:00:11] Speaker A: Welcome, everybody, to the fillware podcast again. We are on series two right now with our musical guests.
[00:00:17] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:00:17] Speaker A: And we have right here the lovely Harry Hart. All the way from ours.
[00:00:20] Speaker C: All the way from ours.
[00:00:21] Speaker B: All the way straight down under.
[00:00:23] Speaker A: You're here for your tour, aren't you?
[00:00:25] Speaker C: Yeah, a few shows went to the great escape. Few days.
[00:00:28] Speaker A: Beautiful.
[00:00:29] Speaker C: Yeah, it was great. Nice and stunning.
[00:00:30] Speaker A: That's Brighton, isn't it?
[00:00:31] Speaker C: Brighton, yeah. It's quieter this year than previous years.
[00:00:34] Speaker B: Is that a festival? I don't know what that is.
[00:00:35] Speaker A: Yeah, it's festival. There's been a lot of protesting with grayscale.
[00:00:39] Speaker C: Yeah. A bit of boycotting. Yeah, everyone loves a bit of boycotting.
[00:00:42] Speaker B: Is it okay?
[00:00:43] Speaker A: Yeah. But I'll be honest, I didn't really know why they were boycotting it for.
[00:00:47] Speaker C: Never did I. I just decided to turn a blind eye and enjoy the festival.
[00:00:50] Speaker A: Fair enough.
[00:00:51] Speaker C: That was the safest bet.
[00:00:52] Speaker A: Yeah, fair enough. Especially because, like, been all the way in Oz. It's all.
[00:00:56] Speaker C: Exactly. I didn't. I literally found out when I got there. The first person I spoke to at the opening party said, do you know about the bones?
[00:01:03] Speaker A: Oh, great. So I've signed up for this.
[00:01:05] Speaker C: You know how far I am.
[00:01:07] Speaker B: Can you come?
[00:01:08] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:01:09] Speaker A: Amazing. Right. Well, to be fair, we were just listening to your new ep before you came.
[00:01:13] Speaker B: We were. Oh, were you?
[00:01:14] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:01:14] Speaker B: Big fan of your new song.
[00:01:15] Speaker A: Yeah, the whole.
[00:01:16] Speaker C: Okay, thank you. Baku hotel. Yeah.
[00:01:18] Speaker A: I was going to ask, is it. Is it an actual place that you've significant to you or.
[00:01:21] Speaker C: It's not particularly significant to me. It's basically there's a friend of mine who. An old school friend that works in that area, that part of the world. And I was just. Facebook was just kind of showing me some of his life. I was like, there's someone I don't interact with anymore, but that's interesting. I just liked just using a different.
[00:01:43] Speaker A: Set of words, basically. It's a cool sounding hotel as well.
[00:01:46] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
[00:01:48] Speaker A: I actually really, really like that tune.
[00:01:49] Speaker B: I said, you know what it sounds like? I said, it sounds like, you know, M 83. It sounds like if the X Files asked M 83 to do their opening.
[00:01:58] Speaker C: Theme song, they did and he passed.
[00:02:02] Speaker B: I really liked it as well. A very weird, like, mysterious sort of vibe to it, but I liked it a lot.
[00:02:08] Speaker C: I think the X Files thing comes from James Davis.
[00:02:12] Speaker A: Oh, God. Yeah.
[00:02:12] Speaker C: So he played keys on virtuoso and. Yeah. It's that. I don't know what synth he used, but I think it's the main.
[00:02:22] Speaker A: Coming out his bag in there.
[00:02:23] Speaker C: To be fair.
[00:02:24] Speaker A: I also just. That's just reminding me. I have a confession to make. My next song is called Heavy Heart. You said this for the last two weeks, we've just been parried in your name because we can't say your name.
[00:02:34] Speaker B: I said on the way here, if you have the heavy heart feature in Harry Hart remakes that would just fit really well.
[00:02:39] Speaker C: You need to know it would really fit quite well.
[00:02:42] Speaker A: So it. Lils has been walking around. I'll wait. Going, my Harry heart.
So when that comes out, it fits far too well.
[00:02:50] Speaker B: We'll play it over there. You won the song, though. You can just put. You could play.
[00:02:53] Speaker A: That's it.
[00:02:54] Speaker B: Yeah, but TikTok doesn't know that, though. So anytime you even play your own songs again, we're pulling that down.
[00:02:58] Speaker A: Did a. Well, not cover. I did a performance video of my own song.
Got flagged, but I'm not even on a label, so I didn't register.
[00:03:06] Speaker B: I just heard a song and went, we don't like that.
[00:03:09] Speaker C: Wait, were you using any of the original?
[00:03:12] Speaker A: No, it was a lip sync video because it was, like a visual thing.
[00:03:14] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:03:15] Speaker A: And I get, is it UMG universal music?
[00:03:17] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:03:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:18] Speaker A: But I thought the real stick was just them.
[00:03:20] Speaker B: And they thought they were back now. Like, they were muted for a while, and now they're back. So I don't really know.
[00:03:25] Speaker A: It's like, why are you muting me? Like, that would be only me that would upset.
[00:03:30] Speaker C: It might be through your distributor. They might have a thing going on.
[00:03:33] Speaker A: There, and it knocked it pretty quickly as well. So I don't know if that's actually a good thing, that my distributor was on the bowl there. I guess potentially it also means no one's using my music because it's not been notified me that maybe after today.
[00:03:43] Speaker B: Now, did you know Sam went viral yesterday and he's been talking about it nonstop, just like.
[00:03:47] Speaker A: Not that. No, I haven't.
[00:03:49] Speaker B: He hasn't.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: It's for just the most, like, typical viral thing of not anything I wanted to go viral for. So we're actually gonna get on this.
[00:03:59] Speaker B: We can get to it now. If you want to get to know, we can come back to it.
[00:04:01] Speaker A: So. Because you caught the end of it when we were talking about before. So Apple music just released the top hundred albums list, right?
[00:04:07] Speaker C: Oh, that's what. Okay.
[00:04:09] Speaker A: Yeah. And I saw it, and it had been posted five minutes ago, and I thought, fuck it. So then I put the top ten on my TikTok and just like a quick little thought on each one and it's like, God, they've got 100k on each video and I've got so many haters. And to be fair, that's when you caught me saying that, like, I just think prince is just, like, overrated. So I feel like. So heard that you agree when you're saying off camera. Because again, like we were saying, like we were saying in the episode, I'm not saying he's not like an icon in all this.
[00:04:38] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. He's obviously a talented man. Yeah.
But I don't know, maybe they don't.
[00:04:46] Speaker A: Have shit on him. And I just thought that's like sacrilege.
[00:04:48] Speaker C: That I think, you know, prince has more of the Bowie esque, you know, hit and miss kind of thing where you can be a fan, you can be a devout fan, but actually only like 30% of what he's related. So I think he's got that going on.
[00:05:03] Speaker A: That's a great.
[00:05:04] Speaker C: But I've not found that 30% for myself.
[00:05:07] Speaker B: Is that 5% agree?
[00:05:08] Speaker A: Yeah, because this is the thing. I'm like, we were saying he's a great musician, but even again, his biggest fans will be like, oh, yeah, well, I know loads of songs that I like, but, like, at the end of the day, if you're trying to put him on a level with Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson has 20 songs that everybody's heard.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: Yeah, it's true.
[00:05:25] Speaker A: I couldn't name more than three or four Prince tunes.
[00:05:27] Speaker B: No.
[00:05:27] Speaker A: And I've had a lot of prince around me in my life as well. Like, my mum's a big fan. And don't get me wrong, purple rain is one of the best songs ever written.
[00:05:35] Speaker B: Does your mum think Prince is better than Michael?
[00:05:37] Speaker A: She wouldn't say that.
[00:05:38] Speaker B: No, of course she would.
[00:05:38] Speaker A: She wouldn't say that. She's got a brain.
[00:05:39] Speaker B: Of course she does. There you go.
[00:05:41] Speaker A: Then she's like, I feel like, off sound mind sorted.
[00:05:43] Speaker C: Prince fans are always trying to convince you.
[00:05:46] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:05:46] Speaker B: If you need to convince me, then you're already wrong.
[00:05:48] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:05:48] Speaker B: Do you know what I mean?
[00:05:50] Speaker A: Cause this is the thing. So it's like, the comment section has been hilarious because the first, like hundred comments were me arguing with people just for fun and then I've gone away and come back overnight and it's like 7800 comments and it's just people kicking off.
[00:06:03] Speaker C: Let's keep going. Exactly.
[00:06:04] Speaker A: So it's well funny.
[00:06:05] Speaker C: It's just laying to prince.
[00:06:06] Speaker A: Exactly, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, of course. Yes.
[00:06:12] Speaker B: It was long ago without you. Can say it now.
[00:06:14] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true.
[00:06:14] Speaker B: You can.
[00:06:15] Speaker A: It's not too soon. No, but also controversially, I'm going to say. So I've met a few people in that have played for Prince and a few producers and stuff, and he's. And again, it's not like. It's not like a big breaking news thing, because people have probably heard this down the grapevine anyway. A bit of a wanker, I mean.
[00:06:31] Speaker C: But if you want you that big.
[00:06:33] Speaker B: You'Re not going to be sunshine and Ron.
[00:06:35] Speaker A: No, of course.
[00:06:35] Speaker B: No one that big is. It's lovely. Are they?
[00:06:38] Speaker A: I've actually just remembered. So do you know who Alexander O'Neill is? No, I don't expect him. So Liam's going to laugh at me for this, but when I was 16, I went on tour with this guy called Alexander O'Neill and he was like a big eighties singer. And ironically, none of my friends knew who he was. Everyone's friends, mum and dad knew who my dad was a big fan of his, so I knew who he was anyway. And he was part of the. Is it Minneapolis? Where is it? Prince is from Minnesota. Memphis. Not Memphis, Minneapolis, Indiana. Yeah. I can't remember. Anyway, Midwest somewhere, wherever. And Alexander O'Neill was in his circle because Alexander O'Neill's. He's got a few good songs. You like some of his songs?
[00:07:15] Speaker B: Yeah, I do.
[00:07:16] Speaker A: And I did big. But again, he's like maybe a one hit wonder kind of eighties vibe, but he was Whitney Houston's mate, so we were like, trying to get loads of stories out of him, basically. And to be fair, the ironic thing was. And not to go on about it, but the ironic thing was when we went on tour with him, he just been on Celebrity Big Brother, which was hilarious.
[00:07:33] Speaker C: Is that the reason for the tour?
[00:07:35] Speaker A: That's the reason for the tour, because his manager was managing us. So it was hilarious because he was like. He went on Big Brother and went, I'm a cocaine addict. Left big brother to go to rehab. And that press saw his whole tour and he was off his tits the whole time of the tour as well, so. But anyway, and he was telling us, he was like, prince. He said, prince is racist. I was like, what does that even mean? And he was like, basically, he wouldn't hire, like, mixed race people, really. And he used to say it all.
[00:07:59] Speaker B: The time, but Prince was a very light skinned man himself. I don't know what his heritage was.
[00:08:04] Speaker A: No, I really. No idea.
[00:08:05] Speaker B: Wild first.
[00:08:06] Speaker A: And so it was. It was baffling. And he was like, because he said, this is ten years ago now, but I can't remember what it was, but it went on this rant and me and the boys were like, just like some guys going off on this on prints and we were just a bit. Because we were 1617. Yeah, yeah, but anyway, yeah, and he was like. He was like, yeah, prince, like told me to tell me to get the foot. He was a backing singer for Prince. That's what he was actually. He did some backing vocals, prince. And he was like. He literally stopped. The rehearsal was like, these three ain't black enough, get them out wild.
And I'm not like, it's weird for someone like me to say Alexander's black.
[00:08:41] Speaker B: He's a poor man's Luther van.
[00:08:44] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
[00:08:44] Speaker C: Let's call him.
[00:08:45] Speaker A: That's actually the best way of thinking. Picture Luther Van Dross and his music and similar music. It's exactly what he sounds like. Really good. But anyway, so, yeah, so I just. I'd heard a lot about Prince anyway, so. And I said in the comments that he does loads of covers because his catalog's not that good. And someone. And, yeah, and someone commented was like, how would you know? You've never been to a Prince concert? And I was like, he's got millions of hours of live footage. And I mean, I honestly, my favorite performance of Prince has you ever seen. He plays at the George Harrison tribute gig. Harrison died. And they play while my guitar gently weeps. And he does an eight minute solo and it's face melting. It's incredible.
[00:09:27] Speaker C: But.
[00:09:28] Speaker A: And then I thought about it and I think, like, the top five biggest videos of prince are doing other people's songs.
[00:09:33] Speaker C: Yeah, interesting.
[00:09:34] Speaker A: And again, that speaks as an incredible musician and artistically all this. But, like, can you moonwalk, though? Can you mean walk? No, he can't.
[00:09:41] Speaker B: No, he can't.
[00:09:41] Speaker A: No, I can't. Someone said in the comments, we're like, yeah, but Michael Jackson can't play instruments. And I was like, well, Prince can't.
[00:09:46] Speaker B: Say he was the instrument.
[00:09:48] Speaker A: Yeah, he used to just write his whole albums, like, vocally, he would singing.
[00:09:51] Speaker B: Go, guitars, listen to this. Here's what we need to play. And he would sing the melody and they would go, okay, I got it. And he'd go, great.
Trumpets, whatever. Brass section. Here's what I want you to do. And he would just compose a song like that.
[00:10:02] Speaker A: Exactly. Anyway, I was going to definitely getting too caught up on that, but I was just so impressed because not many people agree with me about the prince thing. And I've took a lot of flak from me. Those sisters already fallen out with me.
[00:10:13] Speaker C: Are you ready to take some more?
No, not from me.
[00:10:19] Speaker A: Double down on this, to be fair. But anyway, so what. We wanted to ask you a few things, actually. But one thing we want to try and we want to keep asking all of our artists because we did our own. We're calling it Desert island discs.
[00:10:30] Speaker C: Right.
[00:10:30] Speaker A: And the concept's not new, but if you were stuck on a desert. A desert island desert album, if you stock around Desert island and you add, should we go five or ten?
[00:10:38] Speaker B: No, five. I think four. Like four or five. I don't think ten is too generous. You can get. You can get everything in there.
[00:10:44] Speaker A: Let's do five then. Four philosophy. Five albums that possibly you're only gonna listen to. You're gonna listen for the rest of your life.
[00:10:50] Speaker B: Then this hypothetical world. You're gonna keep living somehow on this.
[00:10:53] Speaker A: And the reason I like this concept, because it's not necessarily the best five albums, you're also thinking, like, well, if I want to cover music for the rest of my life, yes, what can.
[00:11:00] Speaker B: I listen to the next 50 years or so?
[00:11:01] Speaker A: I know it's a bit of a thing to drop on you as well.
[00:11:03] Speaker C: No, no, because also I'm thinking, well, I want the biggest track listing I can get so far.
[00:11:08] Speaker A: I also thought, as an artist, because we wanted to try and think about ways that, like, at the end of the day, unless we're getting massive, massive, massive, massive artists on here, like, we want people to get to know you and, like. And I've always thought the best way of doing that is talking about your influences, for sure. If people go, oh, if you like that guy, and I like that guy, I'll listen to you. I thought this would be a good way to get to know you a little bit.
[00:11:30] Speaker C: Yeah, no, no, it's good.
Well, I think I would take.
You're probably not going to like this. I think I would take a copy of take care with me.
[00:11:40] Speaker B: No, I like that. I like that.
[00:11:42] Speaker A: It's a great album.
[00:11:44] Speaker C: Like, it's not the most musical, you know.
[00:11:47] Speaker B: No, take care.
[00:11:47] Speaker C: But you know what? It is just so enjoyable to listen to every time. And it's a big track list, so. It is, isn't it?
[00:11:54] Speaker A: 18 tunes or something like that.
[00:11:56] Speaker C: And if there's, you know, a chance for some island romance. You got the soundtrack.
[00:12:01] Speaker A: Tea, ready to go?
[00:12:03] Speaker C: Yeah. I know you're a big Drake fan. Yeah.
[00:12:05] Speaker B: Which we'll probably get on soon.
[00:12:07] Speaker A: Yeah, we're gonna. I'm gonna zip my mouth and we'll get onto that.
[00:12:09] Speaker C: I like the first bit, though, so it would be wrong. Mean nuts. Take a Drake record.
I would take demon days, I think. Gorillas.
[00:12:17] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:12:19] Speaker C: That's a great show because that's quite, you know, there's a bit of everything in there.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:23] Speaker A: I nearly wore my gorillas t shirts.
[00:12:25] Speaker C: Oh, really?
[00:12:25] Speaker A: I've got the Demon Days album covering t shirts.
[00:12:27] Speaker C: That's nice.
So that's two.
[00:12:31] Speaker A: They don't have to be a ranking either. That's the other thing.
[00:12:33] Speaker C: No, no.
[00:12:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:33] Speaker C: I don't think I could. I don't think I could rank them.
Maybe flower boy. Yeah, maybe. Oh, I'm not sure. Again, for the same reason.
[00:12:45] Speaker B: Arguments about this. Which is better? Flower boy. Igor said flower boy slaps Igor. Left, right upside down.
[00:12:52] Speaker C: I agree.
[00:12:52] Speaker B: It's so much better. There are no skips on it. There are no skips. There are so many hidden features.
[00:12:58] Speaker A: I lied on camera to say that to piss you off.
[00:13:00] Speaker B: Yeah. You're a prick for that then. Because I knew you would. Because it's such a good album. I'm cyber on your story, but I'm already well and true, like, locked in with these picks.
[00:13:08] Speaker A: Actually, I want to quickly ask your point, your input on that then, because. So I've always said to Liam, as a producer, I kind of become. I was doing production, but I only really got serious.
What year is it? 2018. Eagle came out.
No, I think I was third year of university, basically.
[00:13:26] Speaker C: Oh, no.
[00:13:27] Speaker B: Somewhere on there. Late, late 20.
[00:13:28] Speaker A: I think it's 18th or six. And Igor came out and it was one of the first times that an album came out at midnight. And I probably didn't sleep till 06:00 a.m. this whole thing. And again, and I'm aware it's a more commercially acceptable, poppy album compared to Flower Boy, but the production on it, everything, it's like it flicked a switch in me. So I've always been loyal to that album, thinking it's just a game changer. But I'm aware he'd already probably had his Mona Lisa moment of Flower boy.
[00:13:59] Speaker B: Hundred percent.
[00:14:00] Speaker A: So that's why we argue about it a lot.
[00:14:01] Speaker C: But people were ready for another one. Yeah, yeah. And he still delivered. Yeah, absolutely.
[00:14:07] Speaker A: And I still loved his album since.
[00:14:08] Speaker C: To be fair.
[00:14:11] Speaker B: I can't think now because it's been so long. But on ego, he's got Charlie Wilson. But, like, who else on that? Because on Flower boy, there's Frank Ocean.
[00:14:18] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:14:18] Speaker B: There's Jaden Smith. There's in the opening chat.
[00:14:23] Speaker A: No, Wayne's on it.
[00:14:24] Speaker B: Yeah, there's. Oh, my gosh.
[00:14:25] Speaker A: You're thinking skills on that album, isn't she?
[00:14:27] Speaker B: What's he called you?
[00:14:29] Speaker A: Getting up?
[00:14:30] Speaker B: The white guy with a gap in his teeth that said, looks like American Kieran. What's his name?
Pluto. Projection. What's his name?
I couldn't think what his name was. I could not think what his name was. He's in it. He's got so many good features in it and loads of hidden ones that aren't even accredited.
[00:14:45] Speaker A: Ego was one of the first albums. I remember noticing where the track list was hidden. The features were hidden.
[00:14:50] Speaker B: Yeah, he did that.
[00:14:52] Speaker C: Yeah, I enjoy that. I enjoy it. I like it.
[00:14:55] Speaker B: Oh, is it this person? I have to goo and go.
[00:14:57] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, to be fair, the visuals of Flower boy were amazing anyway, but, like earthquake, every song had a video.
[00:15:03] Speaker C: It was just, you know, he's got a golf store in London.
[00:15:07] Speaker A: I still heard. This has just opened up, hasn't it?
[00:15:09] Speaker C: I popped in a couple of days ago.
It's very much got the third man records. Right.
[00:15:15] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:15:15] Speaker C: Approach to it. It's around the corner from that as well. But it's cool. Yeah. I mean, I couldn't afford a t shirt.
[00:15:20] Speaker A: I was gonna say, I've bought plenty of knockoff golf.
Never anything real, because I ain't got that kind of money.
[00:15:26] Speaker C: But it's cool. They've made it simple, but it's a little experience, you know what I mean?
[00:15:31] Speaker A: Well, that's what he's about in it.
[00:15:32] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly.
[00:15:33] Speaker A: But anyway, sorry for hijacking. Please.
[00:15:34] Speaker B: Two more.
[00:15:35] Speaker C: So that's three.
[00:15:36] Speaker A: Do you know what?
[00:15:36] Speaker C: It's funny because I feel like I used to have my, you know, bang the five out easily from a certain era.
[00:15:42] Speaker A: I'd struggle hard.
[00:15:43] Speaker C: It was block party and Interpol and that sort of thing. But now, you know, it must have.
[00:15:47] Speaker A: Takes over a lot as well for me.
[00:15:48] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, I think, like, truthfully, I don't think I listen to albums as often, of course, as maybe I did five or so years ago. So I do have to think about it a bit more. But what else? I listen to immunity by John Hopkins a lot.
[00:16:06] Speaker A: Nice. That's the plastic curveball there.
[00:16:08] Speaker C: Yeah. That's my bath. That's my bath album.
[00:16:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:12] Speaker C: Some bubbles and some drums.
[00:16:14] Speaker A: Light myself a candle.
[00:16:16] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. And then just rave in the bathroom.
[00:16:20] Speaker A: That's Johnny Hopkins.
[00:16:23] Speaker C: That would probably be on there. Because, yeah, it's a little journey and.
[00:16:29] Speaker A: You want some range in your distance.
[00:16:32] Speaker B: Nice one. To close it out.
[00:16:33] Speaker C: Yeah. It's funny because there's no conventional kind of songwriter records in there, which is interesting.
[00:16:39] Speaker A: Yeah. But you have got a bit of a wide variety of influences from just what I know you already.
[00:16:44] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, for sure. So, like, I feel like there's gotta be something that reaches back to the eighties in there a little bit, maybe talk talk. An album called Laughingstock. So really interested, you know, talk talk.
[00:17:01] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:17:01] Speaker A: It.
[00:17:02] Speaker C: It's my life.
[00:17:03] Speaker A: Oh, right.
[00:17:03] Speaker C: Okay. It's talk talk. But they are much more than that record.
[00:17:09] Speaker A: Interesting. Right.
[00:17:10] Speaker C: And in the early nineties, they made this album called Laughing stock that they basically jammed and kind of arranged song structures out of what they jammed. Yeah. It's quite a journey.
[00:17:25] Speaker A: Very cool. Do you have a listen to easy life?
[00:17:28] Speaker C: No. No. I know of this band, but, yeah, I haven't really listened.
[00:17:31] Speaker A: I love easy life, but just from when you were saying that, I heard a story through. Again, don't laugh at me. But just for a producer that I know that works on that album. So I get you like Matt Miller. That's another one.
[00:17:42] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know him inside out, but I do like something I heard.
[00:17:45] Speaker A: I love Matt Miller. An easy life of heavily influenced by him. So on their second, like, mixtape or whatever, they went and worked with Matt Miller's team and basically they. Because. So I don't. So if you don't know easy life, they are. They're a band, but they've got a bit of an extended lineup as well, with loads of horns and stuff, whatever. And it is a bit kind of hip hop influenced as well. But anyway, and they've got, in this studio, they had the live room settle and the producer put a bottle of absinthe in the middle of the floor and said, everyone pick up their instruments and you're not allowed to start until this bottle's done. And I'm gonna press record. And I went to jam for 4 hours and they did. They jammed 4 hours and then they sampled themselves. That's great. And it's so sick. There's a song called Dead Celebrities that's like, it's such a sick drum group. And it's only when you hear that, when you hear that story, you're like, oh, it makes so much sense because it is a bit of a weird groove. And they've literally then chopped and sampled themselves and it's so cool.
[00:18:37] Speaker C: Sampled themselves drunk. Yes. It's extra wonky.
[00:18:40] Speaker A: Exactly. And they were just, like, coming up with all sorts of weird shit they wouldn't normally do.
[00:18:44] Speaker C: I can't do anything if I'm intoxicated.
[00:18:48] Speaker A: I swore to, like, never really be pissed on stage again. Yeah, again.
[00:18:51] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:18:52] Speaker A: There's always one story in there. Second university. It was an ep launch and I was playing, obviously, I was playing keys, and we were actually drinking with the head of the course, who was my friend's dad, and we were gone. We were twatted. But that point where you feel like you're on top of the world went on stage, and me and Joe were the only ones really that drunk. And he was on drums and I played, and I was looking in midset, and I was thinking, I'm shit hot. Everything I'm doing is.
[00:19:20] Speaker C: You've seen what's going on.
[00:19:21] Speaker A: I was like, I can't see my hands. They're going up fast. I'm like, I am golden right now. Came off stage, everyone was like, well, I was like, I know, I know, I'm fucking really good. That was mint. Listen to the recordings.
[00:19:32] Speaker C: It was the f most dreadful.
[00:19:34] Speaker B: Lied to you or to them.
[00:19:35] Speaker A: They said, no, it was a great show.
[00:19:36] Speaker C: They were, John.
[00:19:38] Speaker A: They were also joined a bit like that. But the keys isolated, were painful. I was playing, like, even on the cloud still, for example. And I was just like, fucking.
Just thinking, I'm being dead for pussy. I was just, like, spacking it out. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I'm not doing that again. I don't know how people do it. Never mind, like, being on stuff. Never mind drug acting.
[00:19:58] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Some people can only write when they're stoned and stuff. I'm just like, I can't remember how to just do the most fundamental thing on an instrument. It's crazy how different that is.
[00:20:08] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:20:09] Speaker C: I can do it. The sampling thing you spoke about easy life, that ep, there's a little minute and a half song on it called surfacing the.
My ep.
[00:20:20] Speaker A: Oh, right here.
[00:20:22] Speaker C: And that was me and the band in a little studio for four or so hours, and they were just kind of jamming. I didn't play an instrument. I was kind of, I don't know, directing, very vaguely, I guess, with really unhelpful instructions. And what came of that was just a tiny little sample that reminded me of low end theory or something. That's cool. That's where that little song came from. Was that nice?
[00:20:48] Speaker A: See, that's what I mean. I love it. I remember someone saying to me once, like, if you like sampling, but obviously the sample world can be challenging, trying to clear stuff. Yeah, but make your own samples.
[00:20:58] Speaker B: It makes sense. It makes total sense.
[00:21:00] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:21:00] Speaker C: And if I think they were gutted that 4 hours of jamming.
[00:21:08] Speaker A: That's so true.
[00:21:09] Speaker B: Just because you've already mentioned low end theory at that point there, and I'm assuming that you're a tribe called quest fan from that because I'm a die hard Tribeca quest fan. And anyway, we're going to ask you and especially any of our guests that come on that are hip hop heads, historians, or fans of the genre at all to give us their mount Rushmore people, only that you would actually know.
[00:21:31] Speaker A: If that's how many.
[00:21:32] Speaker B: It's four. It's definitely, definitely four.
[00:21:34] Speaker A: Fair enough.
[00:21:34] Speaker C: It's four. Yeah.
[00:21:35] Speaker B: So it's your four that you're like.
[00:21:38] Speaker C: Rappers, producers, whatever you'd put in that.
[00:21:41] Speaker A: Group, you do hip hop adjacent.
[00:21:44] Speaker B: You can put Virgil in there.
[00:21:45] Speaker C: I'm not gonna overthink it. So just let it roll off the tongue.
[00:21:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:49] Speaker C: Have to be in there. Do they take up too?
[00:21:51] Speaker B: Yeah, you can put. No, you can put.
[00:21:53] Speaker C: It's one face, half big boy, half.
[00:21:56] Speaker B: Big boy, half Andre free k.
[00:21:59] Speaker C: Okay.
Kanye west has to be highly.
[00:22:05] Speaker B: He does.
[00:22:08] Speaker C: Letting it roll off the tongue, not overthinking it, running off the tongue.
[00:22:11] Speaker A: It's hard not to overthink it.
[00:22:12] Speaker C: It really, really is.
[00:22:13] Speaker A: I was terrible with mine.
[00:22:17] Speaker C: Oh, it's so difficult. It's so difficult. I really feel like I'm pledging allegiance because, like, for example, I think the game is just one of the besties ever.
[00:22:27] Speaker A: I think that's fair. Yeah.
[00:22:28] Speaker C: I really, really think he's a proper mc and kind of an overlooked mc.
[00:22:34] Speaker A: He's a bit like doom in the sense that our favorite rappers look at the game as a God, favorite apple kind of thing.
[00:22:41] Speaker B: He's a good feature artist. He shows him a lot of people's stuff, really.
[00:22:44] Speaker A: Kanye west thinks the game's like one of the OG, the best around.
[00:22:49] Speaker C: I speak to my cousin about this quite a lot, and he's just the best, one of the best storytellers, in my opinion, that can tell a lineage.
[00:22:59] Speaker B: To tell because he's from. He's very pro bloods as well, so he tells a lot of those stories about growing up there and what he's seen and what he's been around. So I like that the games are really there.
[00:23:10] Speaker A: The concept of Mount Rushmore, that could be really perfect because if we're overthinking it, Mount Rushmore, obviously, they were like founding father kind of, right. It should be.
[00:23:19] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:23:21] Speaker A: I like that foundation yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:23:25] Speaker B: And to close them out.
[00:23:26] Speaker C: And the last one.
Oh, God, four is hard. Yeah.
But this is, I guess, a very.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: Personal 13 Wu Tang members and everyone else adjacent.
[00:23:42] Speaker C: My favorite mc is a guy named Homeboy Sandman.
[00:23:46] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:23:47] Speaker C: Who is like, I guess, a bit of a underground us MC. He's done a bunch of stuff on Stone's throw and mellow music group and stuff.
[00:23:57] Speaker B: What era is this? Is this recent or is this recent?
[00:23:59] Speaker C: This is yet current. But, I mean, he's been going for a while. I don't know when his first record came out. It might have been, like early two thousands or maybe even late nineties. But he's just so artistic and unusual and creative.
[00:24:12] Speaker B: Is it east coast or west coast?
[00:24:13] Speaker C: I don't know. I don't even know if it is coast that he. Let me think. No, I think he's a New Yorker.
[00:24:19] Speaker B: Yeah, east.
[00:24:19] Speaker C: Okay.
But, yeah, he's. He's just a really inventive rapper.
[00:24:25] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:24:26] Speaker C: And he's quite playful. You know, he's kind of. I just realized I didn't even put Kendrick in there. That's outrageous.
[00:24:31] Speaker B: This is a tough thing, though, isn't it?
[00:24:33] Speaker A: Oh, it's your marvel.
[00:24:34] Speaker C: It is. So he's like, yeah. He's not, you know, a go to, like, a trendsetter. I like that. He's kind of like John Wayne. I don't if you know John Wayne, another stone's throwing guy. They're kind of the outliers I quite like. Yeah, check out homeboy Sam, man, for sure.
[00:24:53] Speaker B: Like, an unconventional list.
[00:24:54] Speaker A: Very cool. I like that.
[00:24:55] Speaker B: So people coming out will just go, biggie two pack, Nas. Like, they'll just do the most conventional. Which isn't the wrong answer.
[00:25:02] Speaker A: No, which isn't a wrong answer.
[00:25:05] Speaker B: I mean, there are some Lil Wayne. I think he's takeshi six, nine a little bit. Just a bunch of.
[00:25:13] Speaker C: The biggie two pack reverence, if I'm completely honest.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: But this is the thing that Sam is. How old are you now? 25.
[00:25:18] Speaker A: 25.
[00:25:19] Speaker B: Biggie was. Tupac is gonna die just a little bit older than Sam is. And then big is already dead at 23 or so, 24, so. And they've only got 23.
[00:25:29] Speaker C: 24.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: He died so young, and he only had two albums out and then, like, an after death one. So I'm the same way. They're not in my top five, really, either of them. They should be respected, but neither of them are the greatest of all time. Yeah. And it's the case. If they didn't die, would they just be like, nas and just, like, revered as one of the greats. But not a lot of people bar me say that they're like the all time great.
[00:25:50] Speaker C: Jeremy. Yeah.
[00:25:52] Speaker A: Ironically, on that point, I half can totally agree. I think I've never seen the massive hype of two pac. No, I love some of Tupac stuff. And, like, anyone Kendrick said's good, I believe. But, like, biggie, I can see it. Biggie's.
[00:26:08] Speaker B: I'm the other way around.
[00:26:09] Speaker A: Biggie's insane.
Two Pacs lyricism is insane. I don't like his voice.
[00:26:14] Speaker B: I'm the other way around. Again, I agree. The way I said it, the way I've said it, and a lot of people go, that's the way to put it, is big was a better rapper, but Tupac made better music. Like, I listened to Tupac's music more, like, in the summer and stuff, because I think there's a lot more that music went in, and I think that's just the west coast sunshine feel of his music. And then Biggie's like. It feels very grounded and, like, dirty. And you can feel that he's very New York, east Coast, nineties kind of stuff.
[00:26:41] Speaker A: Have you seen the notorious documentary?
[00:26:43] Speaker C: No.
[00:26:43] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:26:44] Speaker A: It's really, really good for one. But it did also open my eyes a little bit to. So I'm gonna, like, get this wrong, but I think Biggie's neighbor growing up was, like, a really underground famous, like, saxophone player, a big bebop guy. And he was teaching biggie, like, music and stuff. But obviously big ain't really playing instruments, but he was teaching him where just, like, rhythmic stuff of how to copy drummers and stuff like that. And that's. And then once I'd heard that, it made so much sense because Biggie's, like, rhythmic. Like, just the way raps and cadences were, like, really unheard of at the time. And that's that. I don't know. It's one of the big things why I've always preferred him, because I always, like, for a rapper, for me, I need to be able to mute the song and still be able to bottom my head to him. That's biggie for me. That's biggie for me. Whereas, I don't know, Tupac's a bit grating for me. That's an awful word. I'm gonna get shouted at.
[00:27:37] Speaker B: Yeah, you should be. I want to. I want to punch you in the face.
[00:27:40] Speaker A: I just mean it's, like, harsh. It's aggressive.
[00:27:43] Speaker C: But his voice.
[00:27:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think it is.
[00:27:47] Speaker C: I think it's because it's so, like, raspy and smooth. I actually think it's very smooth that he can accentuate, maybe somewhat aggressively, and it still, in my opinion, still comes out.
[00:27:59] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:28:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:00] Speaker B: I think it's got one of those, you know, there's a lot of rappers where as soon as you hear their voice, you immediately know who no one sounds like. Kanye. Like, vocally, I think Tupac's one of those is very similar.
[00:28:10] Speaker C: I always thought that Gibbs sounds a bit like Tupac, in my opinion.
[00:28:13] Speaker B: Yeah, no, that's true. I always thought the same about Kendrick, where I thought no one sounds at him. And then J I d sounds a lot like him. A lot when he comes on a song. And I think, gosh, they've got such a similar. And a lot of it's got to do with, like, stature and size and, like, JD and both. And Kendrick are both short and, like, slim guys. So that's gonna sound really good.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: I am also saying this, but I looked the other day, my most listened to song of the last month is due for love by Tupac, so.
[00:28:37] Speaker C: Right. Okay.
[00:28:38] Speaker A: Again, it's about the prince thing. I'm not saying I don't like him. I really like. I really like Tupac, but when people talk about him as, like, untouchable, I just think he is touchable.
[00:28:46] Speaker C: Yeah, I get your point. And a lot of. I think a lot of Kanye's, like, early flows come from Biggie.
[00:28:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:55] Speaker C: I completely agree. Yeah.
[00:28:57] Speaker A: 100%. Yeah.
[00:28:58] Speaker C: And puff.
[00:28:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Will be. That would have been the.
[00:29:03] Speaker A: And actually, to be fair, I want to. While we're talking about that, I want to get. We wanted to get. You've met. You hinted at it before we started.
[00:29:09] Speaker B: We did. I was like, say no more.
[00:29:11] Speaker A: Your stance on the Kendrick and Drake.
[00:29:15] Speaker B: Yeah, we've covered this last episode. The last week. Yeah, we covered this last episode. And then obviously, a lot of comments on TikTok of people discussing and sharing it. And it seems a general consensus is that Kendrick's wiped the floor. And. Well, I'm not going to say anymore because I just want to hear, actually, your unfiltered opinions on it.
[00:29:32] Speaker C: So. My, my, yes. So I can see why you'd say Kendrick's wiped the floor, but in my opinion, it's on brand for Drake.
[00:29:43] Speaker A: Right.
[00:29:43] Speaker C: And it's off brand for Kendrick. So, like, Drake is good at being catty.
[00:29:49] Speaker B: Right.
[00:29:49] Speaker C: And being, like, just talking, like someone giving someone shit in a club.
[00:29:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:54] Speaker C: That's what he does. Sure. And his tracks sound like, drake tracks.
[00:29:58] Speaker B: Yeah, this is true.
[00:29:59] Speaker C: The Kendrick tracks sound like Kendrick's just taken a step away from transcending the hip hop message that he never wanted to convey, which is the whole concept he's built a career on, which is fair point. Good kid. Mad city. Like, it's not condoning anything. It's like, this is what you don't want to do 90% of the time. Is the message on glorifying it. Exactly. That's the whole principle that he's operated on as an emcee, and that's what captivates his audience, I think. And then he's like, let me just take a break from that to get my hands dirty and get it. That's why I'm kind of like, well, Drake hasn't really steered away from what.
[00:30:41] Speaker A: He got to himself.
[00:30:42] Speaker C: Yeah. And we're obviously just talking about music, of course.
So. Yes, that's why I was like. I was kind of disappointed, actually. Disappointed in Kendrick.
[00:30:54] Speaker A: I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed.
[00:30:56] Speaker C: Exactly. Honestly, that was how I felt when I heard it. It was like, oh, man.
[00:30:59] Speaker B: On your point on this. And I said last week, and it seems like a lot of people online agree with this, that I said that Drake confused it with who can make the best song contest, which I think, for me, far did. Like, family matters, I think is the strongest one out of eight discharges. Yes, it is. Shut up. Yes, it is. I think the beat switch is in it. I think it's catchy as hell. I've listened to it a million times since.
[00:31:19] Speaker C: I agree.
[00:31:20] Speaker B: And it's the only one I've all of. I keep listening to him. Do you know what I mean? I keep going back to him because they're like actual songs that if it was on an album and the lyrics are interchanged for whatever, and he's talking about whatever, I would listen. This is a really good song with really good beats and whatever, but because Kendrick decided to go a different route, it's a more impactful route. Where I said previously, when Drake did like, back to back against Meek Mill, it was, this is the best song ever. Of course he's won. And I guess he thought this time, the best way for me to beat him is to do the best commercial song. And people go, that's a better song. He has won it. Which obviously wasn't the case.
[00:31:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:31:55] Speaker A: G four is the best song, to be fair. Another thing, like, I thought, to go against what you were saying, I actually think I respected Kendrick more for walking in Drake's shoes and doing what he does better than him.
[00:32:10] Speaker C: That's interesting.
[00:32:11] Speaker A: I think Drake dominates the club scene, the mainstream scene, big time. The being funny. And Kendrick just went, okay, I'm going to do both. He nailed him with his thing and then went into Drake's shoes and nailed him with that as well.
Drake dominates all the streaming charts, all the mainstream stuff. Kendrick's shit all over the floor with him, with that. People, I've seen so much stuff already in, like, loads of hip hop podcasters talking about already, like, every club in the whole of America, they're not like us, is just singing the.
Everyone's just forgot who he is for a moment. And I just think, like, I think that shows the strings to his bow, that Kendrick can step out of what he's excellent at and be another go in people's eyes at what he's good at. That's what I saw, anyway. And to be fair, the other thing, like, with the whole. Kendrick's whole point is that Drake isn't in the culture enough. He doesn't get it. And I think he beat him with that exact message because Kendrick beating him, Kendrick doing the psychological warfare and being more about a hip hop, traditional hip hop beef is because he's like, that's what happens. That's the roots of this. And Drake's just, like, kind of laughing about it and not taking it seriously. And Kendrick's like, if you're going to step on that, then this is how it's done.
[00:33:23] Speaker C: I think that's probably why I'm saying I like the Drake track, is because I'm not in the world. I'm not in that culture. Like, that's not my daily life. I just consume the music. And so, yeah, it makes sense to me that I'm like, well, no, I like the best songs, the ones that sound like songs that belong on an album.
[00:33:43] Speaker A: That's true.
[00:33:43] Speaker C: Whereas the Kendrick tracks, to me, aren't, like, you know, crafted songs. They're just diss tracks.
[00:33:50] Speaker A: They're just, like, psychological breakdowns. I mean, ironically, I think that's why my two standouts for the whole thing were, I think, euphoria. I think euphoria is the best song. I think not like us. He did literally just to be a pop banger, to be Drake at what he's good at. But some people think that's the best tune. I don't at all. Euphoria, I think's genius. But meet the Grahams I actually have been listening to the most. Just because it sounds like just some old school it was. Yeah, old school. Just like dark, like, just the loop alone gives you like, spine tingling stuff. But again, it isn't the best song. So I do get what you're saying. And Drake does construct songs for the masses, doesn't it?
[00:34:26] Speaker B: Like, he does.
[00:34:27] Speaker A: And again, that was what Kendrick's point was. Like.
[00:34:29] Speaker B: It was.
[00:34:29] Speaker A: You make music to pacify my music to. Was it? I think it's the way around.
[00:34:34] Speaker B: Oh, um. I can't remember what it was that crucify.
[00:34:37] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:34:38] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't remember. I know what you talked about, though. I can't remember.
[00:34:40] Speaker A: The word was lost my validity.
[00:34:43] Speaker B: I know what you're talking about, though.
[00:34:44] Speaker A: There was eight songs in a week, okay?
[00:34:47] Speaker B: It was a very big week.
[00:34:49] Speaker A: So the emergency episode we did about the beef was after euphoria. We planned after Euphoria dropped. We were like, oh, my God, it's kicked off. Fucking. We booked that two days later. It was five songs, you know, so we were a bit like we were going to break down one song and now I got loads. But anyway, yeah, so that was bad.
[00:35:06] Speaker C: A lot of busy podcast studios that week.
[00:35:08] Speaker B: Yeah, there certainly was.
[00:35:09] Speaker A: Very much so.
You had some australian theme questions, didn't you?
[00:35:13] Speaker B: I thought it made sense, being that we're from this. I've never been to Australia. I know. He hasn't either.
[00:35:17] Speaker C: Right.
[00:35:18] Speaker B: Firstly, I'm not interested in going because I'm not interested in going to the toilet and there's a dragon in my bathroom.
I'm not scared of much, really. But big spiders, I don't mind snakes too much, but when it's a snake the size of like a Range Rover Lowit, I'm not interested. You know what I mean? So I was interested knowing from someone who's never been and someone who's obviously been there, lived there before and knows both so well and knows both sides. What are something that Brits perceive incorrectly about Australians or Australia and then vice versa? What is something that Australians think about Britain or Brits that is wrong?
[00:35:54] Speaker C: That's a good question. Thank you.
[00:35:55] Speaker A: A loaded question. We probably should have told you before.
[00:35:57] Speaker C: No, no.
I think that unfortunately, Brits were exposed to. I'm a celebrity.
[00:36:06] Speaker B: Is that so? I'm wrong here. It's not that quick because I know it's an enormous.
[00:36:10] Speaker C: Completely. Just like Aussie tourism.
[00:36:13] Speaker B: That's good to know.
[00:36:15] Speaker C: So.
[00:36:15] Speaker B: Well, that was proof in the pudding right there. Me saying, I'm not crazy about going.
[00:36:20] Speaker C: There are snakes, there are spiders, but like, it's not like you're spending every day fending them off.
[00:36:26] Speaker B: That's what I thought it was.
[00:36:27] Speaker C: It's just like.
[00:36:28] Speaker B: Like, I need a broomstick and I'm just going to the office and I'm.
[00:36:30] Speaker A: Like, so for a british audience, how often have you had to, like, okay.
[00:36:34] Speaker C: So you come across. So I live in Queensland, which is very, like, is that like, the city? No, that's the state. Oh, it's a big. Okay, big state on the east coast.
[00:36:44] Speaker B: Cool.
[00:36:44] Speaker C: And it can be very, you know, what's the word?
Humid. And, you know, the summers, you get cyclones and stuff like that. So the weather.
The weather perfect. You know, if you're going to see spiders, what type of spiders, you're going to see where you're going to see them, that kind of thing. And there's lots of sugarcane in that state as well. So a lot of brown snakes and stuff live in sugarcane and brown steaks are very, very venomous snake and also a very common snake. But you're not selling it to me.
[00:37:18] Speaker B: You're not too.
[00:37:19] Speaker C: I would equate it to the british crime rate.
So, like, we're as likely to get.
[00:37:24] Speaker A: Stabbed as you are bitten by a spider, maybe, but depends where you live. Yeah.
[00:37:27] Speaker C: I would like to know, actually, the number around that. But if an Aussie was to say, like, I don't want to go to England because I'm going to get stabbed, you'd say, right?
[00:37:36] Speaker A: It's not that right now.
[00:37:38] Speaker C: Yeah. You'd say, do you know what?
[00:37:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:41] Speaker C: Or you'd say, well, don't walk there by yourself late at night. Don't let it put you off visit.
[00:37:46] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:37:47] Speaker A: Don't go to the toilet in case it's a dragon.
I still, like, have to look at the toilet before I sit on it.
[00:37:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:54] Speaker C: Well, yeah.
[00:37:55] Speaker A: I mean, I live in Manchester just. Just from watching too much Australia.
[00:37:59] Speaker B: Well, this is good to know, then. Okay. That's a good thing.
[00:38:01] Speaker A: So we're being dramatic.
[00:38:02] Speaker B: I like that. Being dramatic.
[00:38:03] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:38:04] Speaker B: That's very british.
[00:38:05] Speaker A: That's very british.
[00:38:06] Speaker B: You know, it's not. You're gonna go to a supermarket and pick up a pack of sugar, and it's like a thousand, like, tarantulas in it.
[00:38:11] Speaker C: No. So you like. And also, you just get, like, not everything's out to. Out to get you. So if you do see a snake is. There's a very, very good chance it's just almost definitely, in fact, it's gonna run away. We're not run away. It's not running anywhere.
Yeah. It's just gonna be scared of you and disappear.
[00:38:31] Speaker A: We're more scared of them. No, it's more scared.
[00:38:34] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:38:35] Speaker B: Okay. That's good to know, then. And then vice versa. What's something that I guess they've said to you and said, oh, is this how it is over there? Is it the crime thing? Yeah, yeah. They think we're just like tea. Crumpets and tea and stuff.
[00:38:45] Speaker C: Yeah. So I think the posh, the frustrating. Yeah. Misconception or exaggeration the other way around is like some kind of reverence for the monarchy. That's the thing. They think we're just, like, kissing pictures of the queen all the time.
Funnily enough, Australia is far more infatuated with the royal family than we are.
[00:39:08] Speaker A: I have heard that they're like the.
[00:39:10] Speaker C: Ultimate celebs in Australia. So they talk about it a lot. My name's Harry, obviously, so everyone thinks that's funny.
[00:39:19] Speaker A: Well, obviously the Commonwealth is still such a big deal to a lot of royalists anyway. But Australia and such are such key parts of what that is.
[00:39:26] Speaker C: Yeah. But overall, the sentiment in Australia is that they would rather be a republican.
[00:39:32] Speaker B: That makes sense.
[00:39:32] Speaker C: Yeah. So they're like. Yeah, yeah. So they're ready to part ways, I.
[00:39:36] Speaker A: Would say, to the west, as far as.
[00:39:37] Speaker B: I'd assume. I'd assume to them that being that, obviously to them, we are a tiny, tiny little country. As soon as you can get from the top to the bottom in no time. And I assume in Australia you can travel for a day and be in the same state because it's so enormous. I would assume that they would be really confused by the range of accents in such a short radius. Because Americans are always so confused by saying, you're not even as big as Texas. How did the north and south of one small city have such varied accents? Do you know what I mean?
[00:40:07] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And Australia does, in my opinion. Basically, it's one accent through the whole country. There's maybe tiny, tiny variations.
[00:40:14] Speaker B: I would have thought it was quite consistent.
[00:40:16] Speaker A: We're so, like.
[00:40:18] Speaker B: You can drive north and South Manchester.
[00:40:20] Speaker A: Different places, different planets, different places. Completely.
[00:40:23] Speaker C: Yeah. It is wild. Yeah. But now that I don't know, I'm trying to think what else Ozzy would, like, misunderstand about Britain. I feel like there must be quite a few things, but mostly it's that it's. Again, it's the telly. It's like, whatever the telly is depicting for them at the time.
[00:40:41] Speaker A: They watch the crown and.
[00:40:42] Speaker C: Yeah, or top. Boy, one of the top boy.
[00:40:46] Speaker B: The crown top boy. And then there's nothing. There's nothing in between. Or you're a road man.
[00:40:51] Speaker A: That makes sense.
[00:40:52] Speaker C: Exactly. Oh, so you're all road men.
[00:40:55] Speaker B: So you're really confused by you. Like, which one do you fit? And you're like, neither.
There's a big middle ground between that and that.
[00:41:03] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:41:04] Speaker A: That makes lots of sense, to be fair.
[00:41:06] Speaker C: But I know, like, a lot of Aussies that live in London, if I met up with a group, like, it was literally a group of songwriters. Aussie songwriters.
Yeah, yeah. Just two days ago.
[00:41:21] Speaker A: Right.
[00:41:22] Speaker C: And that's. They're my people because they understand. They get it. Yeah, yeah.
But, yeah, there's a lot in common. There's a lot that's very, very different as well, culturally.
[00:41:33] Speaker A: Yeah, true. And to be fair, it's such like. I mean, when you actually break it down, it's funny because it's similarly, but obviously completely differently with America. Like, you're cousins to us, aren't you?
[00:41:42] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:41:43] Speaker A: You know, it's all. We're all cut from the same cloth.
[00:41:47] Speaker B: Where come by are you today?
[00:41:48] Speaker C: We're all one.
[00:41:49] Speaker B: Great.
[00:41:49] Speaker C: We're all one.
[00:41:50] Speaker A: But I mean, like, it's just Brits and Europeans or whatever.
[00:41:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:41:54] Speaker A: So we've all come from the same.
[00:41:56] Speaker B: Different shades of white.
[00:41:57] Speaker C: Yeah, but you know what? Like, I'll still get asked where I'm from constantly where I live. My. My wife's from Brazil. No one asks her. But if you. Yeah, but there's like a.
Like an interest or something in a british accent. No way.
[00:42:15] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, to be fair, because that's the other thing, obviously. You don't have an australian accent, really, do you?
[00:42:18] Speaker C: I don't think so. Little. Maybe little twangs here and there, but. Yeah, but I still get that. I got that all through childhood. Where are you from? Yeah, still interesting. Yeah, you just got to lean into it. And when I'm here, I lean in to be an Australian.
[00:42:33] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:42:33] Speaker B: Makes sense.
[00:42:34] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:42:34] Speaker A: Use it to your benefit.
[00:42:35] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. I completely agree.
[00:42:37] Speaker A: I completely agree. Yeah. Fantastic. Well, I'm really enjoying that. So what we want to really give you a chance to say is what people can expect from you next.
[00:42:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:46] Speaker A: So obviously you're on tour and you've got a new ep out.
[00:42:50] Speaker C: Yeah. So this ep was not actually intended to be an ep. It was sort of a staggered release of an album.
[00:42:56] Speaker A: Right.
[00:42:57] Speaker C: And it was. I realized that once you have released four songs, Spotify tells everyone it's an ep, so everyone's been telling me they're enjoying the ep. So I guess I put an ep out, right, of course, which is quite funny.
[00:43:10] Speaker A: It's an awesome thing, isn't it, that Spotify started doing that?
[00:43:12] Speaker C: Yeah. So I don't know, I think a couple of years ago I might have been precious about that and been like, no, no, it can't be seen the way I don't want it to be seen. But no, everyone seems to be enjoying those songs as a little body of work.
[00:43:24] Speaker B: What's it called?
[00:43:24] Speaker C: If we were to look out for it? Well, Baku Hotel is the name. The most recent single, therefore, that's all come under that. Yes. But there's an album coming out in September that I recorded with a bunch of guys from Manchester.
[00:43:37] Speaker A: Awesome.
[00:43:38] Speaker C: That's coming out 13 September.
[00:43:41] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:43:41] Speaker C: I like that. I'm very, very happy with this album.
[00:43:45] Speaker A: Have you got another show in Manchester this week?
[00:43:47] Speaker C: Yeah, this. I don't know when this is coming out, but 26 May is when is when the show is. Yeah.
[00:43:54] Speaker B: And the other dates you've got for the UK, when are they going up?
[00:43:57] Speaker C: No, they're done. So I only booked three shows this time, so I'm here for two weeks. Just kind of like, reconnecting.
[00:44:05] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely.
[00:44:06] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:44:06] Speaker A: Because you've been quite entitled in the magister music scene for the last few years.
[00:44:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I was here for four years. Loved it. Gigged a lot. I think sometimes you got to just not keep booking the gigs, you know what I mean? So that's how I felt this year. Just had a kid as well, so congratulations. Thank you, man. Cheers. So, yeah, sort of forced to change up the pace, and I thought, well, what. What can I do without? And I realized it's actually the gigs. If I just, like, calm the gigs down for a little bit, then I can still create, I can still release music and everything.
[00:44:35] Speaker A: Did you find that that gave you more headspace musically as well?
[00:44:38] Speaker C: Yeah, well, it's like, in one sense, I struggle with. With that. Without the gigs, you mean?
[00:44:42] Speaker A: No, as in, like, because I'm trying to be a full time musician. I am a full time musician. My time gets taken up with so much music stuff that I need to do to get paid that there's just no room for the fun, creative stuff.
[00:44:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:44:56] Speaker A: Did it help?
[00:44:58] Speaker C: Yes, because, I mean, if you're gonna block out a big chunk of work that you usually do, then you're also blocking out the money that comes from that work. But you've created a lot of space to do at the moment. I'm trying to do one thing, which is just. Just create some stuff and be a dad, I guess. Two things. So it's been a long time since I've just narrowed it down to just write some songs and record and don't worry about the noise around it.
[00:45:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:28] Speaker A: I mean, from the outside, it's working because I think it's. We were actually saying it's definitely your best stuff yet.
[00:45:34] Speaker C: Thank you.
[00:45:35] Speaker A: I do really like the new song.
[00:45:36] Speaker C: Cheers.
[00:45:37] Speaker A: No, it's great. So, I mean, the proof is in.
[00:45:39] Speaker C: The pudding, maybe because you produce all your own stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:45:44] Speaker A: So, I mean, to be fair, it's another reason why my last one was volume one and volume two has been, like, in the oven fucking ever.
[00:45:49] Speaker B: It's getting a bit burnt now. Yeah, it's come out.
[00:45:51] Speaker A: Just been too busy and it's not finished, but it's like, find the time to make it perfect. It needs time. Not, like, time to wait. Sorry. I mean, it needs my attention.
[00:46:03] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:46:03] Speaker A: Do you know what I mean? I don't want to, like, just go in there, finish it, send it. Because of the context of what I'm trying to talk about as well. So, again, it's like. I mean, we're famously not very good at balancing our creatives.
[00:46:14] Speaker C: No. But I've been forced to now. That's true family structure, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. So you got. If you all of a sudden, you had all this time, then you got this amount of time.
[00:46:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:24] Speaker C: You think that's gonna be. To your detriment, but it's actually exactly what you needed. Well, for me. Yeah.
[00:46:30] Speaker B: That's good.
[00:46:30] Speaker A: Right, lilz? We're having a kid.
[00:46:33] Speaker C: Get it going.
[00:46:34] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. For my career, though.
Have a kid.
[00:46:38] Speaker C: So you have.
[00:46:42] Speaker A: Such a misconception. Have a kid to free up your calendar and enjoy your hobbies more.
[00:46:49] Speaker B: That might work for you.
[00:46:50] Speaker A: That's it, really. That might work for me.
[00:46:51] Speaker C: But it's true, isn't it? Like, in music, you just so easily end up just surrendering half your time to just, like, the noise around the music. Yeah. And, yeah, I was doing that for years. Didn't even realize had a kid. I was like, wow, I don't have time for the noise anymore.
[00:47:06] Speaker A: Fair enough.
[00:47:07] Speaker C: I'm just enjoying music far more.
[00:47:09] Speaker A: I mean, that's. That sounds great.
[00:47:12] Speaker C: Get the babies happening, mate. Get the babies.
[00:47:15] Speaker A: I mean, to be fair, especially since COVID though, I try and tell myself now, though, like, I'm still very lucky to be doing the work music stuff instead of, like, having a boring job.
[00:47:26] Speaker B: This is my fun job. This is my creative job.
[00:47:29] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
[00:47:29] Speaker C: I've got a boring job in Australia. I can't pay the bills of music.
[00:47:33] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that's it. So, I mean, don't get me wrong, there's going to be a day where I pack that in and go and get myself a boring job.
[00:47:39] Speaker B: No, it's not.
[00:47:40] Speaker A: I do a great. I do a great teaching job, though.
[00:47:42] Speaker C: You do a great teaching job. Nice.
[00:47:44] Speaker A: With somebody who knows.
So that's.
[00:47:50] Speaker C: That's.
[00:47:51] Speaker A: That's not a boring job.
[00:47:52] Speaker B: I know it's a boring.
[00:47:52] Speaker A: That's the closest thing I've got to a real job.
[00:47:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:55] Speaker C: It's also my friend gave me my boring job. Oh, cool. He knows what I mean when I say it's a boring job. He won't get offended.
He knows. What I mean is there's no synthesizers involved, therefore it falls into the category.
[00:48:09] Speaker A: Exactly. And that's why teaching my boring job. We've got just one crappy keyboard. Shit drum kit.
But anyway, I mean, thank you so much for coming on.
[00:48:18] Speaker B: Thank you very much. Before you go, I guess is anything you want to either plug mention about yourself or where people can find you next, or your socials, whatever you'd like to.
[00:48:28] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:48:28] Speaker A: So your label's still doing really well as well?
[00:48:30] Speaker C: Yeah. We've got four acts on the label, one of them being myself. And that's about all I can manage at the minute.
[00:48:37] Speaker B: But it's good.
[00:48:38] Speaker C: It's pretty kind of self sustaining. It's just meant to be a pooling of resources.
[00:48:42] Speaker A: So who else is on the label?
[00:48:44] Speaker C: So Hayden J. Barlow is like a glitch pop artist from Manchester. Scatterchild has released with us. He's like an alternative rock artist for Manchester as well. Jay, if you've met Jay before.
So there's myself and then my brother Julian moir in Australia.
Releases like lo fi, kind of stoner pop.
[00:49:05] Speaker A: What a sick breadth of genres there, though.
[00:49:07] Speaker C: Yeah. Again, it's.
[00:49:08] Speaker A: Your label would be pretty good, like.
[00:49:10] Speaker B: What's your label called?
[00:49:11] Speaker C: Yeah, a little bit like that. It's called strange method. And it is. I guess it is what it says on the tin. It's outliers.
[00:49:18] Speaker A: That's fantastic, though. I love that.
[00:49:19] Speaker C: Yeah. Good group of dudes. And again, it's like it was meant to just be a compiling of resources and that's kind of what it is. It's good.
[00:49:28] Speaker A: Amazing.
[00:49:29] Speaker C: Yeah. Camaraderie in there. Yeah.
[00:49:31] Speaker A: Nice. We'll have to get those Manchester artists on then.
[00:49:33] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, for sure. You should. I do think you should definitely check out Hayden, especially because I think it's going to be up your alley.
[00:49:39] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:49:40] Speaker C: A lot. He's a very good producer.
[00:49:41] Speaker A: Very cool.
[00:49:43] Speaker C: But yeah, no, just the album, really. That's the thing. If people want to check out the album.
[00:49:48] Speaker B: No date yet, just September.
[00:49:50] Speaker C: September 13.
[00:49:51] Speaker B: September 13.
[00:49:52] Speaker C: Yeah. Venom in a picture is the name.
[00:49:53] Speaker A: Of the Venom in a picture right there.
[00:49:57] Speaker C: But yeah, I don't have any, like, anything particular to pick up. Join the newsletter. That's the best thing to join if you want to join something. I'm trying to steer away from socials, like on a. On a regular basis.
[00:50:11] Speaker B: How can they sound to your newsletter?
[00:50:13] Speaker C: So if you go on harryheart.com, it'll be right there.
[00:50:17] Speaker B: Cool.
[00:50:17] Speaker C: So that's where I try and be quite conversational in the newsletters, not just bombard. Bombarding you with.
[00:50:23] Speaker A: That's really cool.
[00:50:24] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:50:25] Speaker B: Cool.
[00:50:26] Speaker C: See, under the hood of, like, being a musician.
[00:50:29] Speaker A: And I guess what's next to watch is your fantastic performances that are coming.
[00:50:33] Speaker C: Out right after this.
[00:50:35] Speaker B: If you're watching it in this order.
[00:50:37] Speaker C: I'm trying to put together a little, like, video tour diary as well.
[00:50:40] Speaker A: Oh, sick. That's mint.
[00:50:42] Speaker C: Yeah, mostly it's just me walking in the rain, complaining about it.
[00:50:45] Speaker B: Yeah, that'll be it. If you're doing it here, then that'll be the case.
[00:50:47] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:50:48] Speaker A: Well, to be fair, I mean. So how long you been here? Sorry? You've been a week.
[00:50:51] Speaker C: Yeah, week and a bit.
[00:50:52] Speaker A: Because you've probably had a bang on 50% of some really nice weather.
[00:50:57] Speaker C: Oh, we started out great.
[00:50:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:58] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:51:00] Speaker A: We got back two days ago and we heard it was gorgeous while we were come back and it's pissing it.
Yeah, well, brought my bad luck with us.
[00:51:09] Speaker C: No, Brighton was good. Brighton was good.
[00:51:11] Speaker A: Brighton's always good.
[00:51:11] Speaker C: That's what you want, isn't it?
[00:51:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:51:12] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:51:13] Speaker B: Lovely.
[00:51:13] Speaker A: So that's our sunshine coaster.
[00:51:16] Speaker C: I like Brighton. It's a little anomaly in Britain, I think. It really is.
[00:51:19] Speaker A: It's like it's own state. Yeah, it's a fantastic place. I've only been there a couple of times, to be fair.
[00:51:24] Speaker B: No, I've not.
[00:51:24] Speaker C: Yeah. Nice. Good place to play as well.
[00:51:27] Speaker A: Awesome. Well, anyway, so definitely you all got tuned into the upcoming performances from Harry.
[00:51:32] Speaker B: And his upcoming album in September 13.
[00:51:35] Speaker C: September 13, September 13.
[00:51:37] Speaker A: Amazing. Well, thank you, everyone, for tuning in and watching our incredible guest, Harry Hart. Thank you for showing Australia.
Thank you.
[00:51:44] Speaker C: Goodbye.
[00:51:58] Speaker B: Welcome to the feel weight podcast.
